Stevie and the ganja

[dissention]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

but is marijuana really the same kind of drug as coke?

No, of course not. But if she were to say that she's off of coke and pills but still lights up doobies, it would invalidate her anti-drug stances that she expresses.

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

unless of course Stevie is getting high and then going out and cruising around Phoenix in that Porsche she bought from "Risky Business"

That visual has me rolling.

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

My only problem with her continuing to smoke marijuana is that she tends to light up on opening nights when she's on tour (and a select few other shows)... which causes her to put on lethargic, lifeless peformances... Stevie please, if you need to relax before a show, get a massage or something... Your fans don't like it when you perform "Stand Back" and not twirl or move from the mic and just stand there with your hair up..

No ****.

Couple her doobie smoking with menopause and it's going to be a less than thrilling show.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

I never said she did. I don't think anyone else in this thread did, either.

I got the impression that you had, from this comment:

Originally Posted by dissention

the fact that a rock star is giving interview after interview about how horrible drugs and cigarettes are, how no one should use them....

and

Originally Posted by dissention

It must be nice for her to sit on such a high horse. If she can't refrain from using such things, she shouldn't open her big mouth to lecture others on using them.

To me, it sounded like you were saying that she was criticizing and lecturing folks who do drugs and/or smoke (whereas I've taken her comments on the subject to be of the "I did it, and I paid the price for it, but there's still hope for you" variety).

But if i'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I got the impression that you had, from this comment:and

To me, it sounded like you were saying that she was criticizing and lecturing folks who do drugs and/or smoke (whereas I've taken her comments on the subject to be of the "I did it, and I paid the price for it, but there's still hope for you" variety).

But if i'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Lecturing and criticizing are two very different things. She's lectured on more than one occasion about the effects drugs had on her and how people should learn from her mistakes, but I've never heard her criticize others for their drug use. It would be kind of pointless given her history.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

But if she were to say that she's off of coke and pills but still lights up doobies, it would invalidate her anti-drug stances that she expresses.

I'm not being argumentative or disagreeing with you, I just wanted to say that I've never taken anything Stevie has said as being an "anti-drug stance." But more of a pragmatic, "this is what the hardcore stuff has the potential to do to you if you're not careful" life-lesson.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Lecturing and criticizing are two very different things. She's lectured on more than one occasion about the effects drugs had on her and how people should learn from her mistakes, but I've never heard her criticize others for their drug use. It would be kind of pointless given her history.

That's for sure!

Even if she does still smoke pot though, I still admire her desire to help other people who might be going through what she went through with cocaine.
She could very easily not talk about it at all, and have a "let 'em ruin their lives -- what do I care?" attitude.

A person doesn't have to have the strongest of wills or to be 100% habit-free in order to make a difference. You can still use your experiences to help people, while remaining a fallible human being.

[tommer]

dissention, i think that somehow you are expecting WAY too much from stevie. i don't think that a lady in her 50's must share her medicine cabinet (nor her stash for that matter) with the entire world, even if she's an artist i happen to like.
whenever she's being asked about subjects like this one, i take everything she says with a tiny grain of salt; there are certain rules you have to play by (in terms of public image, and that sorta crap) so i'd never expect the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth from her, but again, i think it's something she deserves to keep private in her age and state.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I got the impression that you had, from this comment:and


To me, it sounded like you were saying that she was criticizing and lecturing folks who do drugs and/or smoke (whereas I've taken her comments on the subject to be of the "I did it, and I paid the price for it, but there's still hope for you" variety).

But if i'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Of course that was what he was saying and now he is spinning it. This is because he equates smoking pot to a coke and Rx drug habit, a position unsupported by the facts. But, I am enamoured by him anyway

[dissention]

Originally Posted by tommer

i don't think that a lady in her 50's must share her medicine cabinet (nor her stash for that matter) with the entire world, even if she's an artist i happen to like.

I don't think she really needs to share half of the things that she does (abortions, drugs, failed relationships, etc.), but the fact of the matter is that she opens her mouth to make such comments, so it should be expected that people will have different reactions.

Originally Posted by tommer

whenever she's being asked about subjects like this one, i take everything she says with a tiny grain of salt;

I take everything that chick says with a grain of salt. She changes her stories more frequently than her panties.

Originally Posted by tommer

there are certain rules you have to play by (in terms of public image, and that sorta crap) so i'd never expect the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth from her, but again, i think it's something she deserves to keep private in her age and state.

She should keep a lot of things private, but she built her career on drama, so she'll keep spilling the beans until she croaks.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Of course that was what he was saying and now he is spinning it. This is because he equates smoking pot to a coke and Rx drug habit, a position unsupported by the facts. But, I am enamoured by him anyway

No, I just expect Miss Honesty to fess up to still using illegal substances (if she is still using them) when she talks about people learning from her mistakes with drugs. But if she admitted to lighting up, it wouldn't reflect positively on a woman who had numerous drug addictions in the past and went through two stints in rehab.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

No, I just expect Miss Honesty to fess up to still using illegal substances (if she is still using them) when she talks about people learning from her mistakes with drugs. But if she admitted to lighting up, it wouldn't reflect positively on a woman who had numerous drug addictions in the past and went through two stints in rehab.

She admits she drinks liquor despite having two drug addictions which required rehab. How is that any different?

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

No, I just expect Miss Honesty to fess up to still using illegal substances (if she is still using them) when she talks about people learning from her mistakes with drugs. But if she admitted to lighting up, it wouldn't reflect positively on a woman who had numerous drug addictions in the past and went through two stints in rehab.

I would also reflect on being illegal. Why in god's name would you expect her to admit to current use? To get the FBI at her house?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

She admits she drinks liquor despite having two drug addictions which required rehab. How is that any different?

Nice edit.

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't think she really needs to share half of the things that she does (abortions, drugs, failed relationships, etc.), but the fact of the matter is that she opens her mouth to make such comments, so it should be expected that people will have different reactions.

Maybe for her to talk is therapeutic, maybe she thinks she can helps someone sharing her experiences (I think that's true by the way). I really doubt she expects to be canonized but shouldn't she have the benefit of doubt?

Originally Posted by dissention

I take everything that chick says with a grain of salt.

Well, that seems a reasonable behaviour with everyone, or you think the other celebrities are sincere by default?

Romy

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Serrart

Maybe for her to talk is therapeutic,

Meh, I'm not her therapist. I think it's admirable that she as honest as she is, but sometimes I think she's goes overboard into TMI territory simply because all of her admissions tend to color my enjoyment of certain songs. That's why I tend to shy away from a lot of her explanations about them; I want to interpret them on my own and not think "Oh, wow, this song is about her abortiona nd that one is about her torrid affair with Mick."

Originally Posted by Serrart

I really doubt she expects to be canonized but shouldn't she have the benefit of doubt?

She's the original rock martyr. She crows about everything she gave up at every opportunity. She was even doing it in Rosanna Arquette's last documentary.

Originally Posted by Serrart

Well, that seems a reasonable behaviour with everyone, or you think the other celebrities are sincere by default?

"Celebrities" and "sincere" don't belong in the same sentence together.

[amber]

My point, again, is that she would be illegal if she admitted to currently using it. Conveniently skipped over, eh?