isn't it chilling to think if Gore won in 2000

[dontlookdown]

there would be over 900 families in this country that didn't suffer the loss of a son or a husband or father.


amazing and so sad to think the potential that this country could have lived up to had we had a different president in the White House.

[diamondsnake]

Or things could have ended up even worse. Who's to say what would have happened had we had Gore instead of Bush?

[Merf]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Or things could have ended up even worse. Who's to say what would have happened had we had Gore instead of Bush?

Who's to say if Florida knew how to count ballots? Or who's to say what would have happened if Dubya's brother wasn't the governor of your state?

[Keith]

and sadly, there are many more soldiers who have lost their lives because of Iraq. The media tends to report those who were killed after major combat operations in Iraq have ended.

I think those who died before major combat operations ended are just as important, as those soldiers who were initially wounded than died.

Every soldier who died because of this war should be counted. Anything less is disrespect, imho..

I agree that we don't really know where we would be if Gore had been elected, but I can't imagine things being much worse than they are now.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Keith

and sadly, there are many more soldiers who have lost their lives because of Iraq. The media tends to report those who were killed after major combat operations in Iraq have ended.

And, unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn't do their job.

[diamondsnake]

Originally Posted by Merf

Who's to say if Florida knew how to count ballots? Or who's to say what would have happened if Dubya's brother wasn't the governor of your state?

No one.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Merf

Who's to say if Florida knew how to count ballots? Or who's to say what would have happened if Dubya's brother wasn't the governor of your state?

Whose to say what would have happened if Al Snore had been a decent human being and asked for a manual recount of the entire state instead of just those counties he thought he would do better in. I get that Florida had problems and Jeb Bush and crewe were no saints. But, Gore shot himself in the foot with his calculated decision to recount only some instead of all votes. I submit recounting all votes under the same standard instead of a few counties all under a diff standard was the fairer thing to do but Gore chose not to do that - hence the USSC decision or at least a part of it. Although I do not think the USSC should have taken the case, I cannot fault their reasoning that because all votes were not being counted under the same standard it was unfair. In the end, Gore has himself to blame. Note: this does not exonerate Jeb and crewe for their bad acts. It just means Gore was not lilly white in his innocence.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Whose to say what would have happened if Al Snore had been a decent human being and asked for a manual recount of the entire state instead of just those counties he thought he would do better in. I get that Florida had problems and Jeb Bush and crewe were no saints. But, Gore shot himself in the foot with his calculated decision to recount only some instead of all votes. I submit recounting all votes under the same standard instead of a few counties all under a diff standard was the fairer thing to do but Gore chose not to do that - hence the USSC decision or at least a part of it. Although I do not think the USSC should have taken the case, I cannot fault their reasoning that because all votes were not being counted under the same standard it was unfair. In the end, Gore has himself to blame. Note: this does not exonerate Jeb and crewe for their bad acts. It just means Gore was not lilly white in his innocence.

And the research has shown that if Gore had done this he would be president today.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

And the research has shown that if Gore had done this he would be president today.

True, but my point was he was IMO greedy and foolish, so he is not. Thus, he must share some of the blame The USSC stopped the recounts because they violated the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Const. Their reasoning was not all of the votes were being counted in the same manner. For example, a handmarked ballot or hanging or dimpled chad could be counted as a valid vote in on area but not the other. How that does NOT violate the EP clause I do not see. Had Gore in his initial law suit prayed for a recount of the entire state under one uniform standard, which the USSC essentially ordered the Fla. Sup. Ct. to do in its first Order, there would have been no legal grounds for the second USSC decision. But, Gore did not do that. He picked which counties he thought were favorable to him, which was a move that showed little care and no regard for the rights of the voters in other less favorable counties. Certainly, they had the right to have their ballots examined or did they lose that right just because they lived in a county less favorable to Gore and perhaps voted against him Like the entire election, Gore has himself mostly to blame for the recount fiasco no matter how bad the Fla. Admin acted. But, the D's will never admint that because the D's can never ever say ANYTHING that gives W any credit whatsoever - they think to do so is tantamount to sacrilege Conversly, I tend to call it as I see it and I do not see how anyone can with a straight face and with facts rebut what I just said.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Or things could have ended up even worse. Who's to say what would have happened had we had Gore instead of Bush?

How do you figure?

[diamondsnake]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

How do you figure?

Just because you guys like the democrat guys better does not mean that they would have done any better with all this terrorist stuff going on today. I don't have much of an opinion on politics, but it is certainly not a fact that 900 people would not have died in war had there been a different president. For all we know 9,000 people could have died had there been different leadership.

We'll never really know.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Just because you guys like the democrat guys better does not mean that they would have done any better with all this terrorist stuff going on today. I don't have much of an opinion on politics, but it is certainly not a fact that 900 people would not have died in war had there been a different president. For all we know 9,000 people could have died had there been different leadership.

We'll never really know.

Exactly. It is all speculation. The one thing I do think is close to the truth as we can get in the speculation is Gore probably would not have rushed to war with Iraq like W did. In my opinion, his hisotry did not support that he would rush to war. But, that is speculation and that is all it will ever be

[estranged4life]

If Gore would've won his own homestate Tennessee, Flor-I-duh would NOT have mattered what-so-ever...He could have let Shrub take Flor-I-Duh and still would have WON the election.

But that was nearly 4 years ago...I really could care less about the 2000 voting SNAFU/FIASCO anymore, If Gore would've won Tennessee then I'm sure no one else would care either.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Just because you guys like the democrat guys better does not mean that they would have done any better with all this terrorist stuff going on today. I don't have much of an opinion on politics, but it is certainly not a fact that 900 people would not have died in war had there been a different president. For all we know 9,000 people could have died had there been different leadership.

We'll never really know.

Gore was second-in-command in the administration that warned Bush that Al Qaeda was a priority. There's no doubt in my mind that if Gore had been at the wheel, he would've jumped into action the minute that the chatter began in spring of 2001.

[MikeVielhaber]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

How do you figure?

the second sentence was the point of his comment not the first. the one dude said it wouldve been better but he said maybe it wouldve been worse who really know what would've happened.