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[dissention]

Originally Posted by snwriter

I don't think it's career suicide for an artist to record other people's songs, everyone does from time to time. Also, Stevie recorded MANY of her own songs during this period also.

No, it's career suicide to record bad music. From '91-'96, more than half of what she recorded was not her own material.

Originally Posted by snwriter

I love Debbie Harry more than most people, but she had years where she was inactive musically and turned mostly to acting and she NEVER has toured as much as Stevie.

None of the nullifies her success in the past thirty years. I thought the question was what female rock stars had sustained a career as well as Stevie? As for the touring, she's toured a helluva lot. Even when she had no Blondie album to promote. Her current tour has been going on for over a year.

Originally Posted by snwriter

Tina Turner is a great performer but she has never written a song in her life.

You must not be a Tina fan because you'd know that statement is patently false.

Originally Posted by snwriter

Patti Labelle is not a rocker, she and Stevie inhabit totally different worlds of entertainment.

They do? Both sing and record music.

Originally Posted by snwriter

Comparing Cher, foremost a personality and certainly not a rocker, is like comparing apples to oranges. Her shows are not rock shows.

Cher is a personality? You're losing the argument. And if her shows aren't rock shows, I don't know what are.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

I'll add that while I love Janis especially, Stevie's music covers a wider variety of great sounds than any of these women's, IMO. And the facts that she writes and has an ear for choosing some great songs by others are a testament to her talent. Again, JMO.

- Jake

Those may be your opinions, but they're aren't mine.

To say that Stevie's music covers a wider range than Debbie Harry's is absurd. Or Tina Turner.

And I thinks he has a lousy ear for recording other peoples music:

-Too Far From Texas
-Everyday
-Love's A Hard Game To Play
-Docklands
-Unconditional Love
-Maybe Love

Just my thoughts, though.

[snwriter]

I cannot debate this anymore if you truly believe that Cher is a rocker in the same sense as Stevie. Oh, and how many songs has Tina Turner written?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by snwriter

I cannot debate this anymore if you truly believe that Cher is a rocker in the same sense as Stevie. Oh, and how many songs has Tina Turner written?

Stevie hasn't rocked in years (probably since SA). Old age is settling in and she sings more ballads than anything these days. That's not to say she isn't still fantastic, she just chooses to sing the slower songs.

As for hom many songs Tina has written, plenty.

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by dissention

Those may be your opinions, but they're aren't mine.

To say that Stevie's music covers a wider range than Debbie Harry's is absurd. Or Tina Turner.

And I thinks he has a lousy ear for recording other peoples music:

-Too Far From Texas
-Everyday
-Love's A Hard Game To Play
-Docklands
-Unconditional Love
-Maybe Love

Just my thoughts, though.

Patently absurd? I'll admit to not knowing much of Debbie's music, but I can compare Stevie's to Tina's. No way does Tina's music tap into as many genres as Stevie's. Neither does Janis's. Or Joni's.

- Jake

[amber]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

Patently absurd? I'll admit to not knowing much of Debbie's music, but I can compare Stevie's to Tina's. No way does Tina's music tap into as many genres as Stevie's. Neither does Janis's. Or Joni's.

- Jake

Yeah, but Debbie's reallly does. She/they have done everything, I swear. She/they are incredibly versatile and lyrically they/she astonishes me often.
Amber

[dissention]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

Patently absurd? I'll admit to not knowing much of Debbie's music, but I can compare Stevie's to Tina's. No way does Tina's music tap into as many genres as Stevie's. Neither does Janis's. Or Joni's.

- Jake

I don't think Janis or Joni did/do, but Tina dances miles around Stevie when it comes to different styles and genres. She's done hard blues, dance, rock, country, you name it.

Note: this does not mean I think Tina is better than Stevie.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Stevie hasn't rocked in years (probably since SA). Old age is settling in and she sings more ballads than anything these days. That's not to say she isn't still fantastic, she just chooses to sing the slower songs.

As for hom many songs Tina has written, plenty.

FOUL - The Enchanted Tour ROCKED. I agree, however, she, understandably at 53, slowed it down a little for TISL

I do agree that Cher is a rocker. She is very glam about it, but she rocks. I mean although I did not realy care for them KISS rocked and they certainly were similarly glam - Same this for Bowie (although I LOVE Bowie). So, the glam factor of Cher should not count against her IMO. Her music is rock and roll pure and simple. I do not think, however, Cher has ever rocked as hard as La Nicks. But, she still rocks nenetheless.

Tina Turner possibly is the greatest of the greats, in which Stevie certainly is included, IMO. She does not wear out - she wears you out. What an amazing woman. And, she still wears her heels at 60 unlike SOMEBODY we know and love

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

FOUL - The Enchanted Tour ROCKED. I agree, however, she, understandably at 53, slowed it down a little for TISL

The tour itself rocked because it was great hearing those songs and her voice was top notch, but you can't deny that she opted out of doing most of the rock songs.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I do agree that Cher is a rocker. She is very glam about it, but she rocks. I mean although I did not realy care for them KISS rocked and they certainly were similarly glam - Same this for Bowie (although I LOVE Bowie). So, the glam factor of Cher should not count against her IMO. Her music is rock and roll pure and simple. I do not think, however, Cher has ever rocked as hard as La Nicks. But, she still rocks nenetheless.

I have a video from a concert of hers in '89, after Heart of Stone was released, and she ROCKED just as ahrd as Stevie. She did a few KISS songs, some Bruce, most of the tracks from HOS, I was blown away. I went to two of her farewell shows and the enrgy of those concerts blew me away.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Tina Turner possibly is the greatest of the greats, in which Stevie certainly is included, IMO. She does not wear out - she wears you out. What an amazing woman. And, she still wears her heels at 60 unlike SOMEBODY we know and love

to everyhting you just said. But don't forget Bette Midler. That woman is just as equal to Ms. Turner when it comes to energy and wearing the audience out.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

to everyhting you just said. But don't forget Bette Midler. That woman is just as equal to Ms. Turner when it comes to energy and wearing the audience out.

Hmmnnn, they're both Sag. Hmmnn....uh, do you LIKE Bette Midler? Just curious.
Amber

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Hmmnnn, they're both Sag. Hmmnn....uh, do you LIKE Bette Midler? Just curious.
Amber

I LOVE Bette Midler, she's my favorite after Stevie, Lindsey, and the Mac.

[Bella Figura]

some of Stevie's appeal comes from her fragility and the fact she has been a survivor in spite of it...Cher, Bette and even Tina all have strong energetic personalities and adversity has made them stronger and their stage personnas reflect this...

but adversity has made Stevie more attainable, and yes, kinder, softer, sweeter and it is this fragility which comes through in her performances both past and present. and her perfomances and music show us that despite pain and suffering, the weak and fragile side of human nature survives and perhaps even triumphs. and because it's in all of us, that makes Stevie perhaps the bravest performer since she is able to express her vulnerability without making us pity her. She makes us empathize with her and the songs she sings...

[strandinthewind]

Well, I consider EO17 to be by itself a harder rocker than just about anything else in the world and since Cher did not and does not sing it . . . . But, I totally agree Cher is one of the rockinest women out there - I LOVE her!!!!!!!!!!

Here are the set lists (courtesy of the nicksfix (THANK YOU JOHN!!!!!!) ) - Other than the different songs added and dropped for the records, they are not that wildly different. When I referred to TISL rocking a little less, I mean the tone was more Mother Eather than Hellraising Rock and Roll Mama

Bella Donna Tour - 1981
Gold Dust Woman
Think About It
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Angel
After the Glitter Fades
Gold And Braid
I Need to Know
Sara
Bella Donna
Blue Lamp
Leather and Lace
How Still My Love
Stop Dragging My Heart Around
Edge of Seventeen
Rhiannon (slow, piano only version)
Rhiannon (Full Rock Version)
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The Wild Heart Tour - 1983
Gold Dust Woman
Outside the Rain
Dreams
I Need to Know
Sara
If Anyone Falls
Leather and Lace
Stand Back
Beauty and the Beast
Gypsy
How Still My Love
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Edge of Seventeen
Rhiannon (piano and rock versions)
Notes: In New York @ Radio City Music Hall special guest Tom Petty -- added the song "I Will Run to You." This song was performed between "How Still My Love" and "Stop Draggin'..".


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Rock a Little Tour - 1986
During the first week or week and a half of the tour:

Gold Dust Woman
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Talk to Me
I Need to Know
No Spoken Word
Sara
Beauty and the Beast
I Can't Wait
Leather and Lace
Stand Back
Stop Draggin'
Edge of Seventeen
Rhiannon (both versions)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You
By a week or so later..(4/22/86) "Sara" was dropped; however "I Can't Wait" still remained between "Beauty and the Beast" and "Leather and Lace". Sometime in the next 2 or 3 weeks (by mid-to-late May "I Can't Wait" and "Leather and Lace" were switched...)
Still later in the tour...by sometime before middle of June 86 "Gold Dust Woman" had been dropped completely from the set list.



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The Other Side of the Mirror Tour - 1989
(October 1989)

Outside the Rain
Dreams
Rooms on Fire
Gold Dust Woman
Stand Back
Alice
No Spoken Word
How Still My Love
Beauty and the Beast
Whole Lotta Trouble
Two Kinds of Love
Edge of Seventeen
Rhiannon
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You
In the Canada leg of the Tour (summer 1989), two other songs were performed: "Talk to Me" and "Juliet"


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Timespace Tour - 1991
Outside the Rain
Dreams
I Need to Know
Talk to Me
Beauty and the Beast
Stop Draggin'
Rooms on Fire
IF Anyone Falls
(Drum solo) -- Stand Back
Whole Lotta Trouble
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You
Edge of Seventeen
Rhiannon (rock version only)
Landslide


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Street Angel Tour - 1994
Early Tour -- East Coast, Chicago, etc.

Outside the Rain
Dreams
Docklands
Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind
Rhiannon
Stand Back
Destiny
Gold Dust Woman
(band intros.)
Talk to Me
Blue Denim
Edge of Seventeen
I Need To Know (encore)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You (encore)
Greek Theatre: (California)
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Rooms on Fire
Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind
Rhiannon
Stand Back
Destiny
Gold Dust Woman
(band intros.)
Talk to Me
Blue Denim
Edge of Seventeen
I Need To Know (encore)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You (encore)


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Enchanted Tour - 1998


Outside The Rain
Dreams
Enchanted
Gold Dust Woman
Gold and Braid
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
After The Glitter Fades
Garbo
Rose Garden
Sleeping Angel
Stand Back
Rhiannon
(Band Intros)
Whole Lotta Trouble
Landslide
Twisted
Edge of Seventeen
I Need to Know (encore)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You (encore)
Notes: "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" was dropped from the set on the later shows. "Leather and Lace" was added in Phoenix with Don Henley.

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Trouble In Shangri-La Tour - 2001
Opening Night Set List (with Sheryl Crow):


Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Enchanted
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Sorcerer
My Favorite Mistake
Everyday
Rhiannon
Stand Back
Planets of the Universe
Everyday Is A Winding Road
Too Far From Texas
Bombay Sapphires
Fall From Grace
Edge of Seventeen
(Encore)
I Need to Know
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Enchanted Tour - 1998

Outside The Rain
Dreams
Enchanted
Gold Dust Woman
Gold and Braid
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
After The Glitter Fades
Garbo
Rose Garden
Sleeping Angel
Stand Back
Rhiannon
(Band Intros)
Whole Lotta Trouble
Landslide
Twisted
Edge of Seventeen
I Need to Know (encore)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You (encore)
Notes: "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" was dropped from the set on the later shows. "Leather and Lace" was added in Phoenix with Don Henley.

Out of those songs, I only consider five of those to be true rockers (I was glad SDMHA was dropped after Atlanta, it didn't sound good on that tour).

Nonetheless, it still stands as one of my favorite tours. It's tied with SA.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

What were once thoughtful and emotionally stirring lyrics became cliched and ridiculous, and more than half of the songs she recorded during this time weren't even written from her pen. I just do not understand why some (not necessarily you) can't understand why I think those nineties songs are garbage. It may be Stevie Nicks singing them, but it isn't Stevie Nicks to me.

I have to say that I am a little confused in regards to the statement that, "more than half of the songs she recorded during this time weren't even written from her pen."
You repeated that statement in a second post too... "From '91-'96, more than half of what she recorded was not her own material."

How do you come up with that figure? From 1991-1996, the songs she recorded that were written by other songwriters were:
"Sometimes It's A Bitch"
"Love's A Hard Game To Play"
"Docklands"
"Unconditional Love"
"Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind"
"Just Like A Woman"
"God's Garden"
"Inspiration"
"Somebody Stand By Me"
"Free Fallin'"

10 songs. Out of 22.
Admittedly I'm not the greatest when it comes to mathematics, but I'm pretty sure that's less than half. Even if just slightly.
But it's certainly not "more than" half.