A response to promoting IN YOUR DREAMS. Why?

[iamnotafraid]

I was going to respond to one of the many
posts commenting on Stevie continuing to
promote In Your Dreams in the various
other threads. Not wanting to single anyone
out, I figured I would post it here.

The album is done. It's almost a year old now,
why keep banging your head against the wall?
Right now it's #1,115 on Amazon's best seller
list. And unless there's a deluxe edition on the
way (someone at WB/Reprise didn't have any
info on it or the documentary) it's toast.

This is not a negative review of the album or a
comment on it's relatively decent showing on
Billboard's Charts, all things being considered.

Stevie's fanbase bought the album up in the first
few weeks of release. Like we always do.
So who else is going to buy it? Who's it being
promoted to?

Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary. Honestly, how
many shows do you think it would take for this
type of project? Unless she's going to pull an
Avatar on us.

She's touring to pad her bank account. Nothing
wrong with that. I personally wish it was with
someone other than Stewart this time around.
But she's got to pick someone around her age.
You wouldn't want a young audience would you?

If she really cares about the album and her fans,
I wish she'd tour the 2000 seat theatres among
us. And sing several songs off the new album.
A pay cut for sure, but isn't it all about the music?

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

...but isn't it all about the music?

Nope, probably never has been...

[Jondalar]

Well, promoting the album has done some good. And Stevie knows how to beat a dead horse 6 feet under -- hence, landslide, which is well on its way to becoming Fleetwood Mac's first platinum single. After so many not up to par albums, she believes in this one and wants people to hear it. I think there are going to be surprises on this package too.

[olive]

"Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary"

why would she be bankrolling her own projects ?
she couldn't possibly need to tour just to meet her day to day expenses , she must have enough to live out her life comfortably, If Christine can do it on money made during her time in Fleetwood Mac .

Where do you guys get this information?

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by olive

"Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary"

why would she be bankrolling her own projects ?
she couldn't possibly need to tour just to meet her day to day expenses , she must have enough to live out her life comfortably...

Yes, I'd read where others think she might be
doing the upcoming tour to pay the expense
of the documentary. I have a hard time believing
that. Two reasons come to mind. First it won't
sell. And second why would she risk much of
her own money? Not even counting the fact that
the documentary will probably be a low cost project.

I'm not so sure she has the money to live out
the rest of her life comfortably, at least in Stevie
Nicks' view. Most artist seem to go through their
money fast. It's happened time and time again.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Yes, I'd read where others think she might be
doing the upcoming tour to pay the expense
of the documentary. I have a hard time believing
that. Two reasons come to mind. First it won't
sell. And second why would she risk much of
her own money? Not even counting the fact that
the documentary will probably be a low cost project.

I'm not so sure she has the money to live out
the rest of her life comfortably, at least in Stevie
Nicks' view. Most artist seem to go through their
money fast. It's happened time and time again.

I suspect the IYD documentary is more of a Stevie-Dave collaboration, with Dave realizing most of the net proceeds, that is, assuming there are any net proceeds. All Stevie had to do was... do her hair and makeup and show up every day for work. Dave is probably the one who had to pay for the crew, the equipment and the post-production. Suffice it to say, the IYD documentary probably did not cost much to make, since the vast majority of it was (supposedly) shot in or around Stevie's house. Dave is probably gambling on the potential upside of the documentary playing in small art house theatres in select cities, which is conceivable if it's marketed strategically and if critics actually publish glowing reviews a la Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work. And if it gets picked up by HBO or Showtime, it will definitely be worth the investment.

Stevie most definitely has enough money to retire comfortably. She's not a big boat and fancy car type. And she's not exactly a fashion plate either. Her homes are already paid off and are relatively modest in scale- she's not living on a private island. She's been around the block long enough to understand money and she probably has people giving her advice as well. Without the overhead of a small workforce, she can easily afford a luxurious life of leisure.

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by olive

"Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary"

why would she be bankrolling her own projects ?
she couldn't possibly need to tour just to meet her day to day expenses , she must have enough to live out her life comfortably, If Christine can do it on money made during her time in Fleetwood Mac .

Where do you guys get this information?

The filming and editing costs have probably already been paid for, but promotion and physical copies of the documentary are not free. Sure she will recoup that money if sales are good, but what if they aren't? What if the documentary costs more than it makes? Then Stevie is left holding the ball. Can she afford to release something that doesn't break even? Definitely! But if she can mitigate that risk by touring with Rod, then why not? I am not saying that Stevie has to tour in order to release the documentary, but what I do believe is that if Stevie chose not to tour with Rod, then she would not be guaranteed that she could tour this year, especially to such a large audience. She then risks not being able to secure a tour this year, which would leave her financing her own promotion! Why pay to fly to New York to do nothing but promote and get paid nothing for it when you can just do that promotion while you are already there playing a show? All in all, I think the tour with Rod was most likely agreed upon with high consideration of all of her expenses, including her plans for the IYD doc.

[UndoingTheLaces]

I have a crazy radical idea about why Stevie is still touring with In Your Dreams. It may be unpopular but I'm going to state it anyway. She's doing this because...




she wants to.

[olive]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

The filming and editing costs have probably already been paid for, but promotion and physical copies of the documentary are not free. Sure she will recoup that money if sales are good, but what if they aren't? What if the documentary costs more than it makes? Then Stevie is left holding the ball. Can she afford to release something that doesn't break even? Definitely! But if she can mitigate that risk by touring with Rod, then why not? I am not saying that Stevie has to tour in order to release the documentary, but what I do believe is that if Stevie chose not to tour with Rod, then she would not be guaranteed that she could tour this year, especially to such a large audience. She then risks not being able to secure a tour this year, which would leave her financing her own promotion! Why pay to fly to New York to do nothing but promote and get paid nothing for it when you can just do that promotion while you are already there playing a show? All in all, I think the tour with Rod was most likely agreed upon with high consideration of all of her expenses, including her plans for the IYD doc.

who said she is releasing this , is this a vanity project like cher's 'not.com.mercial' the one she produced , manufactured at her cost in limited edition and sold on line?

I would assume she is /has been shopping around for a distributor to suck up expenses and cost

[TrueFaith77]

I wish Stevie would embrace that she is a catalogue artist. Nothing wrong with that. Her new material will never charge out the gate, but she will always sell consistently and new fans will join the fold. ... And one of the best things to encourage her enduring catalogue status artist is to tour with the Mac...

Touring with Rod is a bummer for me, because I will NEVER go back into that situation again. It was not fun, being treated that way for standing up during Edge of Seventeen--and having to endure a dour Stevie set.

[HejiraNYC]

It's true that Stevie has plenty of money and that she never has to work another day for the rest of her life. But she isn't really a major catalogue artist. Her own solo back catalogue is largely out of print or not selling at all. The only reliable source of income she has is from Rumours and a couple of the greatest hits packages. But all of that gets split 3/4/5 ways, so her share is relatively modest. Unlike Christine, Mama got bills. As a working artist, she's got assistants, band members and probably other domestic employees on payroll (or on contract). Sure, she can take a year off, but she still has to pay all of these salaries, which means she can end up in the red for the year after expenses if she doesn't do something. I don't know about everyone else, but I would hate the thought of making a negative income, even if I was super-wealthy, especially if I am near retirement age. Hence, this is why she does at least a handful of shows every year- just to pay the overhead, if nothing else.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

It's true that Stevie has plenty of money and that she never has to work another day for the rest of her life. But she isn't really a major catalogue artist. Her own solo back catalogue is largely out of print or not selling at all. The only reliable source of income she has is from Rumours and a couple of the greatest hits packages. But all of that gets split 3/4/5 ways, so her share is relatively modest. Unlike Christine, Mama got bills. As a working artist, she's got assistants, band members and probably other domestic employees on payroll (or on contract). Sure, she can take a year off, but she still has to pay all of these salaries, which means she can end up in the red for the year after expenses if she doesn't do something. I don't know about everyone else, but I would hate the thought of making a negative income, even if I was super-wealthy, especially if I am near retirement age. Hence, this is why she does at least a handful of shows every year- just to pay the overhead, if nothing else.

She should start promoting Leather and Lace and Edge of Seventeen the way she promotes Landslide. IYD dreams is really the first time I can remember where she has concentrated on her own product for very long at all. She needs to champion other songs off that album. What bothers me about Stevie is that she has songs in her own arsenol that should be Gold by now. But she doesn't talk about them much. Bella Donna and The Wild Heart could become more successful in the Catalog department if she did. Last year, many people mentioned Leather and Lace as one of their favorite songs of hers and it's like she shied away from it. Don't get it. It should be sung at ever concert and treated like Landslide.

[fairydust75]

There is no way Mama NEEDS the cash, she just WANTS it. More power to her. But she has plenty of millions she just doesn't like to spend it w/out putting new money in the bank to replace it. I think she's doing what her management and Liz tell her is best for her long-term. She believes in IYD's hopefully
the Doc will come out before I kick the bucket...lets see I'm in my mid-thirties now......

[Richard B]

Maybe the money is not about Stevie adding to her bank account, but perhaps the myriad of support staff, family and musicians she wants to take care of. She employs many people in her circle.

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well, promoting the album has done some good. And Stevie knows how to beat a dead horse 6 feet under -- hence, landslide, which is well on its way to becoming Fleetwood Mac's first platinum single. After so many not up to par albums, she believes in this one and wants people to hear it. I think there are going to be surprises on this package too.

Yes, I agree. And anyone thinking that this has nothing to do with the music and is all about money is full of ****. It's obvious Nicks loves this album and wants to keep pushing it. Good for her.