Bella Donna & Wild Heart= End of Story! - Page 5

aprilsrain · #61 03-03-2011, 09:56 PM

I don't really like most of the back half of TWH. I think after Stand Back the album really loses steam. Beauty in the Beast is gorgeous but I can't relate to the song for some reason.

Artemis · #62 03-04-2011, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aprilsrain

I don't really like most of the back half of TWH. I think after Stand Back the album really loses steam. Beauty in the Beast is gorgeous but I can't relate to the song for some reason.

I feel completely the opposite. For me, the first half of the album drags, and then it starts to pick up steam.

Maybe if it went something like this.

1) Wild Heart
2) All The Beautiful Worlds (I think it would work really well after the title song)
3) Enchanted
4) Nightbird
5) Garbo (Completely agree that it should not be a B-Side, it's fabulous)
6) Stand Back
7) I Will Run To You
8) Nothing Ever Changes
9) Sable On Blond
10) Beauty and the Beast

As such, I find If Anyone Falls - Gate And Garden - Enchanted to be a very weak run of songs, and like Markolas said, Nightbird preceding Stand Back is a bit weird. Whilst I think Stand Back - IWRTY - NEC - SOB - BATB to be a completely steller 5 song run

aprilsrain · #63 03-04-2011, 11:41 AM

Maybe I haven't listened to those songs enough. It's so nice to have ipods and things now to be able to manipulate song orders at whim. Releasing "albums" is kind of silly now when artists can just release single songs at they make them.

cliffdweller · #64 03-04-2011, 12:19 PM

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YES!! I knew there had to be another Ledgie who felt that way!

I just feel all of Stevie's fans automatically dismiss the album because Stevie badmouths it because it wasn't a hot seller. The reasons you mentioned are exactly why I love the album. The production style is clean, sharply creased, and no-nonsense. Stevie isn't hiding behind a lot of whizbangery the way she often had on her solo works. It's good, straight forward rock and roll... and I *LOVE* it

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Yeah, SA sounds okay, but the lyrics are, at times, attrocious. I am one who prefers The Wild Heart over SA. Maybe it's the synth on that album that you don't prefer? I think she used it quite effectively. Stand Back is one of the best rock songs ever played and by far blows anything on SA out of the water.

SapphireSister · #65 03-04-2011, 01:37 PM

Enchanted and Gate and Garden are the only weak links on this album. Replace G&G with All the Beautiful Worlds and Enchanted with anything else (Julia anyone?) and the album would be flawless.

Christopher · #66 03-04-2011, 01:43 PM

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I agree about G & G for the most part, esp if ATBW replaced it. But Enchanted is a classic. Love this song! Love the Soundstage version. I couldn't live w/o it. I dunno how to explain it other than when I play this song I crank it up & it makes me happy and tingly all over.

SapphireSister · #67 03-04-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

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I agree about G & G for the most part, esp if ATBW replaced it. But Enchanted is a classic. Love this song! Love the Soundstage version. I couldn't live w/o it. I dunno how to explain it other than when I play this song I crank it up & it makes me happy and tingly all over.

It is a catchy, happy feel-good song, I'm not going to take that away from it but to me this album is all about intensity and emotion with a touch of darkness, not to mention top-notch song writing so I think there were other choices that would have been more dramatic and made more of a statement and over-all been a better fit.

markolas · #68 03-04-2011, 05:54 PM

How can you hate on a song about Stevie's lady parts?

Christopher · #69 03-04-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

How can you hate on a song about Stevie's lady parts?

For me, It's not so much that I hate Gate & Garden (lady parts and all), IMHO it's the weakest link/filler on WH. And then when I think about all the great songs like: All The Beautiful Worlds, Julia, Garbo & even Violet & Blue that were kicked off the album. I sorta think they missed a huge opportunity to have another epic album!

SapphireSister · #70 03-04-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

How can you hate on a song about Stevie's lady parts?

OMG you are soooo right! I totally take it back. Gate and Garden has now moved up to my top 10 list of favorite Stevie song with that in mind

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And does that mean God's Garden and Running Through the Garden also involve that theme? Oh I've discovered a whole new appreciation for the garden series...

Artemis · #71 03-04-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister

OMG you are soooo right! I totally take it back. Gate and Garden has now moved up to my top 10 list of favorite Stevie song with that in mind

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And does that mean God's Garden and Running Through the Garden also involve that theme? Oh I've discovered a whole new appreciation for the garden series...

If that's true, I wonder what "Too many flowers" could be a euphemism for

markolas · #72 03-04-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister

OMG you are soooo right! I totally take it back. Gate and Garden has now moved up to my top 10 list of favorite Stevie song with that in mind

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And does that mean God's Garden and Running Through the Garden also involve that theme? Oh I've discovered a whole new appreciation for the garden series...

No.

Just G&G. Listen to the lyrics - "There is a gate and it has a garden...well, it is not heaven, and it can be guarded...so to the red rose grows the passion..." I mean, do you need her to draw you a picture??

G&G was never a favorite of mine, but I absolutely despise I Will Run to You and Nothing Ever Changes, so if any songs are to be cut from TWH, those would go first.

SapphireSister · #73 03-04-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

No.

Just G&G. Listen to the lyrics - "There is a gate and it has a garden...well, it is not heaven, and it can be guarded...so to the red rose grows the passion..." I mean, do you need her to draw you a picture??

Yes, actually. That would be nice

. She can also draw me a picture of her flaming walls.

chiliD · #74 03-04-2011, 07:46 PM

Bella Donna - stood as my favorite for a long time, but it's lustre is gone, but it's still a decent album; some songs have fallen from the playlist.

Wild Heart - I may have liked it the first few times I listened to it after many glasses of wine and many bong hits, but listening to it with a clear, sober head. God it's awful (although, I still like "Sable On Blond"). Gimme a live Fleetwood Mac "Stand Back" anyday over the studio cut. Some of the suggestions of revamping the track list & order...yeah, why "Violet & Blue" was left off of this is a real head-scratcher.

Rock A Little - With the opening track "I Can't Wait", I thought this was going to be the killer album...the rest of side 1 just blows. I almost didn't turn the LP over. Glad I did though. Side 2, to that point in time, was the best stuff Stevie had done outside of FMac (to my ears)...thought that all the way up to TISL. Only "I Can't Wait" & what made up Side 2 do I ever listen to on this one.

Other Side Of The Mirror - Thank GOD "Rooms On Fire" was the opening track the only redeemable song on the entire upchuck of an album. Street Angel?? No way, THIS is the abomination from hell in the Stevie catalogue.

Street Angel - not great, not awful. And after TOSOTM, it was actually listenable. "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind"...if I lived on a desert island and could only bring ONE Stevie Nicks song from her solo career, THAT would be it.

Trouble In Shangri-La - took me a while to get into...now I think THIS is her all-time masterpiece...it's her Out Of The Cradle, her Rumours, her Pet Sounds, her Dark Side Of The Moon...would I tweak a tune here or there, sure, drop "Too Far From Texas" and plop in either the "wall of sound" verison of "Thrown Down" or "Touched By An Angel" (or BOTH in a perfect world)...which I have done on my iPod playlist...a Stevie Nicks solo album doesn't get much better than that.

Trying not to buy into all the hype about the new album and set my internal "expecation bar" too high, or even set it at all. But TISL is going to be really tough to top.

But, I totally in agreement with David and his observation about Fleetwood Mac vs Stevie solo...not too many tracks where I actually am intrigued by what is going on by her background musicians, yet, I absorb everything going on in a Fleetwood Mac track...What's John doing? What's Christine playing? There's an interesting guitar part floating in & out of the track...and the basic guitar track is cool, too. Wow, listen to that fill that Mick does there...etc, etc. RARELY does that happen on a Stevie solo track...it's so, so, "beige".

bluefox4000 · #75 03-04-2011, 07:52 PM

I always thought it was the end. Nothing she's done since has impressed me......And I mean nothing. I'm praying IYD changes that. Actually each album has tracks I like....but she has not made a throughly enjoyable album since WH..for me anyway

Mick