Katie Holmes embracing Scientology

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Originally Posted by amber

And I haven't seen BOTFOJ, but he got an Oscar Nod, right?

Yup, and Julia Roberts won an Oscar.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I thought the failure of EWS was mostly Kubricks and the subject matter or more Kubrick's interpretation of it. The story was very dated and outlandish. I thought he was okay in it, but horribly miscast. He does not play meek in a Kubrick fu&k fest very well

No, it failed because the studio promoted it as a film about eroticism when it was anything but. The mainstream movie-going public went into it expecting a Tom Cruise skin flick and didn't get that at all.

[macfanken]

Originally Posted by dissention

Sociologist, my ass. He admitted back in the sixties that he founded Scientology to get tax breaks.

Yeah, sociologist is a bit generous... more like sci-fi hack/scammer.

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Originally Posted by Serrart

I think his acting reflects his lack of intelligence. He doesn't learn, he's repetitive, the only thing he's good at is to exaggerate and luckily for him two great directors like Stone e P.T. Anderson and a good one, Michael Mann have been able to transform a defect in a quality, at least for three movies. He doesn't even try to build a character, there's no deepness, or creativity. Kubrick has built a statue to his incapacity to see, to react, to be an actor. That doesn't mean he can't be successful. I didn't say he was stupid, he knows what he can and what he can't do. But what he does hasn't for most of the time any interest for me. About the actual situation: if the story is true, he's proving to be incapable to protect from himself the woman he loves; if it isn't true he's been dull enough to accept this farce. In both cases he's not showing intelligence to me.

Romy

P.S Hmm... I guess now I can wait for my honorary Tom Cruise fan card.

That's the Romy I know and love. Preach it!

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Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

I can't believe someone else has seen this movie! Isn't the cast just great?

Anything with Sigourney, Joan, and Kevin is bound to be more than watchable. That movie is flawless.

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Originally Posted by macfanken

Yeah, sociologist is a bit generous... more like sci-fi hack/scammer.

Awwww, you're not a Dianetics fan?

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Originally Posted by jannieC

This is just so distressing to me. I swear, I wish that people could understand how harmful scientology is in the substance abuse world. I wonder if these stupid celebrities have any idea what goes on in these facilities. Of course, as we know, Tom himself has saved hundreds of people from drugs, so maybe he does know.

I hate to sound rambly, but this motherf*cker just burns me up.

It doesn't when Kirstie Alley, who usually keeps mum about that cult, goes to TV Guide to praise that disgusting Narconon program to the skies. It makes me physically ill to think that people are getting recruited to this cult because their favorite celeb is involved with it.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I thought the failure of EWS was mostly Kubricks and the subject matter or more Kubrick's interpretation of it. The story was very dated and outlandish. I thought he was okay in it, but horribly miscast. He does not play meek in a Kubrick fu&k fest very well

This is kind of how I saw it too, it was Kubrick's folly moreso.

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Originally Posted by sparky

I thought Spielberg's first few films were good, but that he has turned into a feel good hack. Everything is always wrapped up in a neat little bow. I find him very formulaic and boring. But, I don't expect his movies to make me think. I saw Minority Report against my better judgement and hated it. Didn't see Schindler's List, and won't. I have had it up to my eyeballs with Holocaust movies.

Bleecccchhhh..... Spielberg is pure treacle. I can't watch any of his crap. E.T. made me wanna puke and it was all downhill from there. Don't even get me started on the Indiana Jones movies..... OY!!!

Originally Posted by amber

I thought his performances in ... Interview w/A Vamp. were especially good.

Loved the movie (although it IS a guilty pleasure- mainly for its production design), but the performances were gawdawful. Brad Pitt??!?!? Antonio Banderas?!?!!??!? Kirsten Dunst overacting allllll over the place. Needless to say, Cruise was soooo trying too hard to "act".

Originally Posted by dissention

Yup, and Julia Roberts won an Oscar.

Honey, please.... I'd like to keep my dinner in my stomach.....

Originally Posted by dissention

Anything with Sigourney, Joan, and Kevin is bound to be more than watchable. That movie is flawless.

I loved it, loved it, loaoaoaoaoaoaoved it! Perfectly 70's creepy.


I'm so tired of Tom Cruise. He needs to go, go, go. He's so transparent and smarmy..... A one-trick pony who's trick was up twenty years ago. Methinks he dost protest too much- okay we get it! You're a manly heterosexual... you're not gay..... you're in love, love, love!!

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

This is kind of how I saw it too, it was Kubrick's folly moreso.

You should read Traumnovelle, the Schnitzler story Kubrick based it on. I, personally, thought he did an absolutely brilliant job with the material. Tom Cruise was horrific (and while I usually lay a lot of blame on directors for bad performances, not even Kubrick could get water out of a stone...), but I didn't expect him to be even adequate in the first place. The reason it flopped so badly was because it was marketed so badly. Just look at the first week returns and then the STEEP decline in ticket sales for the second week. It was promoted as an erotic T&A flick, which was a crime.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by dissention

You should read Traumnovelle, the Schnitzler story Kubrick based it on. I, personally, thought he did an absolutely brilliant job with the material. Tom Cruise was horrific (and while I usually lay a lot of blame on directors for bad performances, not even Kubrick could get water out of a stone...), but I didn't expect him to be even adequate in the first place. The reason it flopped so badly was because it was marketed so badly. Just look at the first week returns and then the STEEP decline in ticket sales for the second week. It was promoted as an erotic T&A flick, which was a crime.

Yes because expecting that it left you extremely cold :shudder:. Where there was a lack of dialog I'm sure the book was much better since you can get into the character's heads, I love that about books.

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Bleecccchhhh..... Spielberg is pure treacle. I can't watch any of his crap. E.T. made me wanna puke and it was all downhill from there. Don't even get me started on the Indiana Jones movies..... OY!!!

I like some of what he did with The Color Purple, but looking back on it, he gave it such a white man's touch that it's actually quite offensive to the source material. Empire of the Sun was watchable only because Christian Bale was so ****ing fantastic in it. That man was one hell of an actor even at such a young age, they could have put him in a red wig and he would have singlehandedly saved Annie.

Originally Posted by The Tower

Loved the movie (although it IS a guilty pleasure- mainly for its production design), but the performances were gawdawful. Brad Pitt??!?!? Antonio Banderas?!?!!??!? Kirsten Dunst overacting allllll over the place. Needless to say, Cruise was soooo trying too hard to "act".

Remember when all the Rice fans and Rice herself were in a tizzy over Cruise being cast? Rice ate her words when it was released on video for who knows why, but he was still crap in it. Everyone was, but Dunst was still the best. That says a lot, when a ten year old is the best actor in a movie.

Originally Posted by The Tower

Honey, please.... I'd like to keep my dinner in my stomach.....

Not a fan of Mr. Ed?

Originally Posted by The Tower

I'm so tired of Tom Cruise. He needs to go, go, go. He's so transparent and smarmy..... A one-trick pony who's trick was up twenty years ago. Methinks he dost protest too much- okay we get it! You're a manly heterosexual... you're not gay..... you're in love, love, love!!

Tom Cruise makes Nathan Lane look butch.

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Originally Posted by dissention

No, it failed because the studio promoted it as a film about eroticism when it was anything but. The mainstream movie-going public went into it expecting a Tom Cruise skin flick and didn't get that at all.

I'd say 40 minutes or so of over a 100 people fu&*ing and women romping around buck naked and in feathers in a masked ball of hedonism was nothing but erotic Even Tom and Nicole showed a lot of skin for them

In the end, the story from which it was derived ( Arthur Schnitzler's "Traumnovelle" ) was melodramatic domestic strife in a shocking Marcel waved bob when it was written (1926) - but whose 20's morality played understandably dated in Kubrick's malingned telling of it almost 80 years later. Plus, that AWFUL one chord "score" - OY Kubrick was deaf as well as dying

As for Cruise as an actor, he will never be great, but I like his movies and he has played a wide varitey of parts, for which I give him credit.

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Originally Posted by dissention

Yup, and Julia Roberts won an Oscar.

Lord - you just never let go of bitter do you

JULIA ROBERTS WON - get over it

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I'd say 40 minutes or so of over a 100 people fu&*ing and women romping around buck naked and in feathers in a masked ball of hedonism was nothing but erotic Even Tom and Nicole showed a lot of skin for them

Then you missed the whole point of the movie and I question your taste if you found any of it erotic.