Oh, it never ends...

[nae]

Does anyone around here really believe J.T. is into helping needy
children? HA!

Nae

[glitter_fades]

Originally posted by nae
Does anyone around here really believe J.T. is into helping needy
children? HA!

Nae

BWWAAAAAHAAHAAAHAHA!

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Yea, a better contest would be, who can make like a Mexican and beat the **** out of Jonathan Todd with a baseball bat piñata style. The first fan club member to crack the guy gets a nifty spleen and charcoal heart AND good tickets to the show! Now THAT'S a real game.

I volunteer...I live to SCARE the crap outta people anyways!!!

Besides, I've mastered the art of being a bastard years ago...So I have nothin' to lose, Brian "Batter up...PLAY BALL!!!" J.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by nae
Does anyone around here really believe J.T. is into helping needy
children? HA!

Nae

LMAO! ALl JT is interested in making money and trying to wriggle out of the mess he had made... seems he still has a lot to learn as he clearly has no clue.

Pip

[strandinthewind]

Again, I am all for donating to charity, esp. a charity that benefits children.

I just think that when Mr. Todd, or anyone for that matter, asserts that a "portion" of proceeds goes to an unnamed charity that he touts as benefiting children, he should be able to back that vague statement up with names, percentages, and facts before I will give him one cent. I have seen too many people take my money I gave for an allegedly charitible cause and use it on themselves and give a rather small portion (maybe 5%) to a charity. So, while I am not saying Mr. Todd is fraudulently doing anything, I am saying that if Mr. Todd is really interested in getting my money, he has to show me exactly how much is going to what specific charity. Until that happens, I politely say no thank you.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I just think that when Mr. Todd, or anyone for that matter, asserts that a "portion" of proceeds goes to an unnamed charity that he touts as benefiting children, he should be able to back that vague statement up with names, percentages, and facts before I will give him one cent. I

As Todd himself said to my friend in an email only the other week:

Someone still needs to verify this is representative and legit.

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Also I am confused as to where the 'proceeds' are coming from. Do people have to pay to enter the comp?

Pip

[dissention]

Nothing is wrong with helping Egyptian children, but people paid for a fan club, not a charity. People want something that has to do with FM, not a charity. That's all, Carne.

LMAO, Sara! I still remember the "Rotten Apple" underneath your avatar over on Mick's board. Too funny! And remember when he flamed you on the complaint thread?? What an ass.

I do kinda take pride, though; I was the first to have my posts deleted all the time! My first deleted post was in the M&G thread because I called the idea asinine, Trinity a lemming, and the Knight a bad businessman. And then Tiff posted the lyrics to "When Money Wasn't King" from Tom Petty. LMAO

[beach~gypsy]

Weeelllll, My first thought when I read this was that the Egyptian sh*t must be some of that junk from Jackie's "gold dust woman treasures" ebay "company"

[seeknpeace]

OK - 130 years from now all will be forgiven and we can help the Egyptians. I work and commute with American Egyptians who are some of the nicest, smartest people I know. It just seems like a strange time in the world to be worrying about 'that' part of the world. We are spending enough of our resources on Homeland Security because of that part of the world.

For me the bottom line is if we are gonna help children, lets start here in America, and if we want to give to a charity, lets each one do it on our own time and not join a fan club to do it.

I think that he would be more interested in providing articles and items that pertain to the band to us, not bobbles that mean nothing to us and then proclaiming that they are doing something for charity. Makes no sense to me.

And, sorry if the other person found my answer garbled... I did not intend to attack and you attacking me does not right what you thought was an attack. (how is that garble? even I have to read that one twice!!) I am really bad to think and type and sometimes, it just goes awry. Bear with please.

I just would really like to see the fans pull together as much as possible on all this. We are not gonna all agree, that is human nature, but, as to what happened to the fans and to the promises and some things that you all do not know yet, we need to be together. There are a lot more things that you will find out.

Our best interests have never been at anyones heart in this whole thing, imo. I was robbed imo, I do not consider video of the inside of an abandoned airplane cabin, Mick touring an empty house or driving an old car in circles, content worthy of my money. Never mind the fact that I cannot get a decent seat at a concert while hundreds go on sale on eBay the day of our private presales. HUNDREDS. I think like 900 were on there the day of the first presale. Does not anyone wonder about that?

So, I am gonna try to stick to the issues and what I feel that I want and need to say. I do not like Jonathan Todd, who he is, what he stands for, nor how he does business. But, that is not what this is about. This is about FANS being treated poorly and taken to the cleaners because we are good fans and love FMac. We trusted something that was in the name of Mick Fleetwood and Fleetwood Mac.

I do not have any animosity toward the ppl who are here and who are fans. Only those who have chosen to align themselves with someone who has treated their fellow fans so shabbily. And mostly, I feel sorry for them.

You can say about us, "they deserved it, they started stinks over there, they kept upset going all the time, etc.", but, try to remember, that is NOT how that all started.

Questions were asked and concerns were voiced about things like them using our screen names as our passwords, why weren't we offered the LTD Edition cds, when would they upgrade us to them, why couldn't we find out about upcoming appearances from the fan club, and on and on...and he Never answered us. He disregarded us because I think that he thought that we would go away or be cowed by his censorship to shut the questions up and then it got nastier and nastier and nastier.

Yes, it fell all to hell...all to smithereens. BUT, it could have been avoided totally. And the one to have kept it from happening was Jonathan Todd, just by answering the questions, expressing concerns over our concerns and not telling others to "slap some sense" into the questioners, who were then complainers. He pitted fan against fan. Perhaps he found ppl who were not sure of themselves and felt proud and honored to be one of his ppl, I cannot say, but, I can say that this whole thing is a sorry state of affairs that only one person could have prevented.

[glitter_fades]

My thoughts, exactly. Thank you.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Well, I for one believe it isn't a party without PEZ. Get your collectible Fleetwood Mac PEZ people right here! (alcohol flavored PEZ) Only $99.99 with your membership to the SHAMclub. Oh, wait! Stevie Nicks bobbleheads!!! She'll rock out to the beat of "Gypsy." OR, we could have the Fleetwood Mac whoopie cushion. Instead of making a fart noise, it'll have Lindsey talking about Cycles for 38.6 seconds. Or we could have the stranger danger whistle. When you blow into it, it plays Silver Girl, thus making your attacker either wheep with dispair and run the other way OR fall to the ground covering his ears. Safety first people, safety first.

LMAO!
I was just thinking I hope nobody makes a Stevie bobblehead!
Maybe the club can add Chris & John Precious Moments figurines for that touch of class in any FM fan's home.
And Lindsey troll dolls.
And the "Gold and Braid" Flow-bie to cut our own hair.
We should do the marketing! Mr. Todd, are you paying attention?

- Jake

[GypsyAngel]

Originally posted by Cour
I bet this jewlery must have set him back a good $50 at the local flea market.

Yeah, there's a kiosk in the mall near the food court selling that stuff. I'll watch out for him.

[Mad4stevie]

Todd is a regular frickin' Robin Hood - stealin' from the poor . . . to give to . . . the poor.

[Cour]

If you're a member of the fanclub there is a new drawing of some kind where you have to send an email and provide your name, address, password and PHONE NUMBER!


I think everyone should think TWICE before giving the fanclub their phone number. Considering the past actions of the fanclub and the way they have run their business, do you really want them to have your telephone number? Do you know what they will do with it and who they might give this to or possibly sell this to at some point. If you read the lastest changes to the disclaimer on the club site, it's been changed numerous times and it asks you to agree to any changes that will/might be made in the future. This was not the disclaimer or agreement most of us were shown when we joined and is an indication of why you should remember their past actions when it comes to changing promises, guarantees or any other things you were told. Even though they might never do anything with your phone number, is this a company who you'd want to take that chance with?

Many of us have unlisted numbers and I don't see a problem telling them


"my phone number is unlisted, please contact me by email or snail mail if I win your contest."


Since all contests have very strict rules that the fanclub would have to follow, they could NOT take you out of the running for the drawing based on your having an unlisted number.