This video is chilling

[irishgrl]

It may not be pleasant to remember this day.
However it would be a nightmare and a disgrace to all who perished...to forget

NEVER FORGET 09/11 or the day's events in NY and DC

I agree. we owe it to those who died to keep those images and sounds first and foremost in our memories......to realize the absolute hatred with which we are confronted now, and to be willing to confront that hatred wherever/whenever it pops up. Thats not to say I support an unjust war in Iraq, because I DONT. Iraq is part of the Bush agenda which I absolutely deplore. In fact, 99.9% of anything attached to Bush I deplore (the only exception I can see is the fact that he set aside a marine reserve off of Hawaii
Bush creates Hawaiian Marine Reserve

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by Red

David, I wish you hadn't posted this, or at least I wish I had read ahead to know what I was in for. I don't need the hear the desperate plea and final scream from a man in his final moments just to ensure I never forget 9-11. I got it already. This was extremely distasteful.

I agree. Those who say it is important viewing so as "never to forget 9/11" are barking up the wrong tree. Videos like this are sensationalistic and do not achieve anything other than shock value. If you really want to memorialize victims of 9/11 and keep out complacency for this event, listen to the rescuers' stories of witnessing, listen to the citizens of New York talk about that day, but don't exploit these people's deaths. I don't think anyone can honestly say that they viewed this video out of respect for the victims of 9/11, it is viewed to satisfy, as Homer said, "a morbid curiosity" and that's about it .

[Red]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I agree. Those who say it is important viewing so as "never to forget 9/11" are barking up the wrong tree. Videos like this are sensationalistic and do not achieve anything other than shock value. If you really want to memorialize victims of 9/11 and keep out complacency for this event, listen to the rescuers' stories of witnessing, listen to the citizens of New York talk about that day, but don't exploit these people's deaths. I don't think anyone can honestly say that they viewed this video out of respect for the victims of 9/11, it is viewed to satisfy, as Homer said, "a morbid curiosity" and that's about it .

Thank you, I thought I was alone in this. Seriously, who on earth feels like listening to this horrifying clip is somehow necessary to commemorate those who lost their lives on that day? Give your head a shake for Christ's sake!
This reminds me of when I was in New York last month. I went to ground zero and felt enough impact just standing in that one spot. Then there were these assholes, selling pamphlets and brochures on the tragic event, and on top of the blatant ****tines of these people making a profit, it felt so gruesome watching these people revelling in the horror of the event itself.
So yes, this clip felt just like that - a car wreck that some people can't manage to pry their eyes from, just to partake in the gruesome spectacle.

I realize I might be ranting here, but its been a couple of days since this clip was posted and I can't believe it was posted in the first place. Like I said, I GET IT. I really didn't need to witness this to remember 9-11.

[irishgrl]

I agree. Those who say it is important viewing so as "never to forget 9/11" are barking up the wrong tree. Videos like this are sensationalistic and do not achieve anything other than shock value. If you really want to memorialize victims of 9/11 and keep out complacency for this event, listen to the rescuers' stories of witnessing, listen to the citizens of New York talk about that day, but don't exploit these people's deaths. I don't think anyone can honestly say that they viewed this video out of respect for the victims of 9/11, it is viewed to satisfy, as Homer said, "a morbid curiosity" and that's about it

Originally Posted by Red

Thank you, I thought I was alone in this. Seriously, who on earth feels like listening to this horrifying clip is somehow necessary to commemorate those who lost their lives on that day? Give your head a shake for Christ's sake!
This reminds me of when I was in New York last month. I went to ground zero and felt enough impact just standing in that one spot. Then there were these assholes, selling pamphlets and brochures on the tragic event, and on top of the blatant ****tines of these people making a profit, it felt so gruesome watching these people revelling in the horror of the event itself.
So yes, this clip felt just like that - a car wreck that some people can't manage to pry their eyes from, just to partake in the gruesome spectacle.

I realize I might be ranting here, but its been a couple of days since this clip was posted and I can't believe it was posted in the first place. Like I said, I GET IT. I really didn't need to witness this to remember
9-11.

I myself dont have the luxury of traveling to NY or anywhere else for that matter. Way over on the West Coast, Im pretty insulated by both time AND space from Ground Zero or NY firefighters etc.

To say that posting this video smacks of sensationalism is a bit excessive IMO. I cant think of anyone who posts something like this merely for shock value, or to pander to the "morbidly curious" And I cant speak for anyone else who watched it, but I honestly (if unrealistically) hoped a last minute rescue would occur. To see the building crumble and hear his words IS shocking, and not an easy thing to watch. That said, I DO think that people become complacent, and from time to time need reminders of the seriousness of what we face in these types of terrorists (domestic and foreign).

If you get it, you get it and you certainly are free to pass this by. I wont watch this clip again, but I am not sorry I did watch it. I consider it a reality check. I certainly DONT think these videos are a "commemoration" of anything. They are a preservation of a historic event, much like the footage of the space shuttle Challenger that exploded in mid-air or the stand off in Tiananmen Square. Our world aint pretty folks.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Our world aint pretty folks.

Oh I know. I just feel like listening to that guy's last cries for help before his death are a kind of invasion of some sort, almost like it's something sacred that I'm eavesdropping in on, and it makes me feel like a voyeur of the worst sort. It's hard to explain, but I don't think that recording was meant for my ears, maybe his family's but not mine. To me, it's sensationalistic no matter how you slice it. There are ways, more respectful ways, that we can preserve and remember history and those attrocities that accompany it .

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by Red

This reminds me of when I was in New York last month. I went to ground zero and felt enough impact just standing in that one spot. Then there were these assholes, selling pamphlets and brochures on the tragic event, and on top of the blatant ****tines of these people making a profit

Exactly, and I think it's people like that who put up videos like this.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Exactly, and I think it's people like that who put up videos like this.

do you think the person who posted this video originally (not David) profited by it? Can you not think there might be another motive altogether than shock value or money? I myself am willing to entertain the possibility that there may have been in fact a different motive than that...

There are ways, more respectful ways, that we can preserve and remember history and those attrocities that accompany it

True.

[Pisces Queen]

I just went to NYC for the first time this past weekend and we went to ground zero. I tried to prepare my self for what I was about to witness but when I walked up to the fence a paralyzing feeling came over me like a flood. I was crying and couldn't stop. I was receiving so much negative energy it was horrible. I couldn't think or talk. I just wanted to get away as fast as I could. I can't explain the feeling I had from head to toe. There are so many souls that are not moving on. I could feel the anger and frustration. I am not a medium by any means but I have always had some feeling of the other side. I am a Pisces and my sun moon and mercury are all in Pisces ~ sometimes I feel like an antenna to the other side. After we left there we went on with our day but for hours I went through so many emotions that were not me. The anger was almost uncontrollable. The same thing happened to me in OKC (I am from Shawnee, OK) and a friend and I were driving in the city looking for a flower shop when the same paralyzing feeling came over me. I thought I was having a panic attack when I looked up and saw the remains of the Murh building.

It took me hours to feel better after being down by ground zero. I can't watch this video ~ it's just too hard right now.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

do you think the person who posted this video originally (not David) profited by it? Can you not think there might be another motive altogether than shock value or money? I myself am willing to entertain the possibility that there may have been in fact a different motive than that...

Oh totally. I don't think anyone profited monetarily from this (or maybe they did?). I was talking about a general, overall mentality of disrespect and exploitation that prompts displays like this. The urge doesn't have to be monetarily induced.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Oh totally. I don't think anyone profited monetarily from this (or maybe they did?). I was talking about a general, overall mentality of disrespect and exploitation that prompts displays like this. The urge doesn't have to be monetarily induced.

OK. Im having a hard time trying to wrap my mind around how someone could (or even WOULD) exploit this tragedy, but then, there's a lot of things that some people do that I shake my head at...