Isaac Hayes Leaves South Park because of its Skewering of Scientology

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by chiliD

The only thing about Scientology that bothers me is that it is referred to as a "religion". L. Ron Hubbard is not a saviour, is not a religious figurehead.

I mean, c'mon, Werner Erhard's EST (& now "The Forum") isn't considered "religion" and Scientology is just a similar organization (albeit with a more massive & celebrity-driven membership)

Totally, The Forum is shady and scary. I have experience with them but not Scientology. I know someone who had a psychotic break after The Forum. Their brainwashing is really bad news.

Here's an interesting older article about Scientology http://www.rickross.com/reference/sc.../scien413.html rickross.com is a good resource for information on cults. I contacted him when my friend got sick but when a reporter contacted me I was actually afraid to speak out against Landmark Education (creators of The Forum) because of their power.

The Forum is so strange, there is a Forum Leader giving the "seminar" and then everyone else who helps him out is a volunteer. How do they get people to do that willingly? BRAINWASHING!

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

And furthermore, who wears white tennis shoes with black jeans?!!?!? He thought he could wear Reeboks with anything, and did!

Oy vez, I forgot about that! And the jeans were tapered to boot! I'm going to be sick now.

[BTFLCHLD]

me and a friend of mine (chris) went to the one in hollywood once...
heres what happened...
we get there and they take us to a dark room. they give us both questionaires which upon reading contained personal questions along the lines of family history and how one feels about oneself and others, etc.
they left the room, and i told chris i would half-ass answer these...he started writing books. so they came back, took our papers, and left us again. they came back and started to tell us how we could really be helped by them, chris more so than me, and that this is what it would cost for the program. immed i opted out; although they made attempts to convince me, i declined. chris however was all into what they were saying even with my urging to think about it. they said ok you (niki) can come along while we take chris through a little walk-thru. so we followed them from the room, where they took us to another large room with little offices within that toom. they placed us in a room for a long time. during that time i was like chris man this is creepy you cant even afford this to which he replied they said that they would work with me for the $$$. so they came back and got us. they took chris to the large room, sat him on the chair while i stood a ways away and watched. then this guy appears out of nowhere and is proclaimed to be some highup on the scien scale some chit like that. he stands before chris and unleashes every possible insult known to mankind, all of which is directed at chris personally based on responses he made to his questionaire (about being blind in one eye from a childhood accident; how ugly he is due to that, blah blah) it went on for about five mins...while i stood there in disbelieving tears at what was happening to my friend. finally im like chris we are leaving...at this point he was ready to leave after being pummeled with every insult imaginable. we charged down the hallways to get out of there with three on our heels all the way to the parking lot and beyond. i ran into a tree and, bent there in pain, one guy actually said to do it again without hitting the tree and i will feel no pain...we ran screaming at that point. we laugh on it now...but feel for those who would be susceptible.

i admit i tried the walk-thru the pain bit once later on as needed...
im here to tell you it didnt work for chit.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

me and a friend of mine (chris) went to the one in hollywood once...
heres what happened...
we get there and they take us to a dark room. they give us both questionaires which upon reading contained personal questions along the lines of family history and how one feels about oneself and others, etc.
they left the room, and i told chris i would half-ass answer these...he started writing books. so they came back, took our papers, and left us again. they came back and started to tell us how we could really be helped by them, chris more so than me, and that this is what it would cost for the program. immed i opted out; although they made attempts to convince me, i declined. chris however was all into what they were saying even with my urging to think about it. they said ok you (niki) can come along while we take chris through a little walk-thru. so we followed them from the room, where they took us to another large room with little offices within that toom. they placed us in a room for a long time. during that time i was like chris man this is creepy you cant even afford this to which he replied they said that they would work with me for the $$$. so they came back and got us. they took chris to the large room, sat him on the chair while i stood a ways away and watched. then this guy appears out of nowhere and is proclaimed to be some highup on the scien scale some chit like that. he stands before chris and unleashes every possible insult known to mankind, all of which is directed at chris personally based on responses he made to his questionaire (about being blind in one eye from a childhood accident; how ugly he is due to that, blah blah) it went on for about five mins...while i stood there in disbelieving tears at what was happening to my friend. finally im like chris we are leaving...at this point he was ready to leave after being pummeled with every insult imaginable. we charged down the hallways to get out of there with three on our heels all the way to the parking lot and beyond. i ran into a tree and, bent there in pain, one guy actually said to do it again without hitting the tree and i will feel no pain...we ran screaming at that point. we laugh on it now...but feel for those who would be susceptible.

i admit i tried the walk-thru the pain bit once later on as needed...
im here to tell you it didnt work for chit.

Why did they insult him? Is that like part of the initiation or something?

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Why did they insult him? Is that like part of the initiation or something?

yes it was a simulation of 'auditing' however chris didnt receive the bio hookups for a reading...as this was a walk-thru they were just showing what happens...the idea is that eventually you become conditioned to being able to be insulted by someone in this fashion and it will not have any consequence to you emotionally...kind of like a dog who is always kicked and expects to get kicked to the point he doesnt feel it anymore...lets just say its f'd up.

[stargazer99]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Yeah, he's a freak. By the way, what's this "silent birth" thing? And what other totally wacky, spaced out **** can the Scientologists come up with next?

Scientologists believe that delivery of the baby should be as calm as possible. The mother and everyone in the room is supposed to stay as quiet as possible. Also, they "encourage" the mother to not have any pain-killing drugs during delivery, and to deliver at home if possible.) So while the mother is undrugged, and going through the pain of labor, she's not supposed to moan, scream, etc.

If the woman delivers in the hospital, the medical personnel are also supposed to be quiet. So they're not supposed to verbally communicate with each other, or at least as little as possible. (I wonder what happens if an emergency occurs? Such as if the baby needs to be taken by caeserean? I wonder if that's allowed under the "Scientology rules"?)

The reason behind "silent birth" is that Scientologists believe that any noise, particularly screaming of the mother, will "register" in the baby's brain, and they'll be "traumatized".

Scientologists also believe that you should leave the baby alone for 7 days after the birth. (Or maybe 2 weeks? I can't remember which.) So they believe in having very little interaction with the baby during that time period. So much for bonding with your child!

I've also read that when a Scientologist's child gets hurt or sick, the parents aren't supposed to react. They're not supposed to coddle or comfort the child. The reason being that they want the child to learn to be independent, and don't want to "excite" the child. Again, I guess they believe if the parent gets upset or anxious, it will "traumatize" the child.

Basically, it appears to me that Scientologists pretty much don't believe in bonding with their children, and letting their children pretty much raise themselves.

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

...kind of like a dog who is always kicked and expects to get kicked to the point he doesnt feel it anymore...lets just say its f'd up.

omg what kind of example was that niki!
much like TC with the prescript bit...
he sees no need to medicate pain
as he has been conditioned not to have any.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by stargazer99

Scientologists also believe that you should leave the baby alone for 7 days after the birth. (Or maybe 2 weeks? I can't remember which.)

Alone? Like...wha? What, do you feed them and change their diapers but not much else or literally leave them alone?

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

This is rich.

from:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...p-338531c.html

Hayes has lost faith in 'Park'

After 10 years on Comedy Central's foulmouthed, anti-establishment animated series "South Park," Isaac Hayes wants off because he finds the show's attacks on religion inappropriate.
Word is that Hayes was upset with an episode that aired in November, "Trapped in the Closet," that attacked Scientology, of which he's a follower. He asked the show to be released from his role as the sexually charged Chef.

"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry toward religious beliefs of others begins," Hayes said in a statement.

"As a civil rights activist of the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those beliefs and practices," he added. Hayes' reaction stumped some, because the show that spawned "South Park" included Santa and Jesus in a death match, and throughout the run the producers have skewered various religions and celebrities.

"This has nothing to do with intolerance and bigotry and everything to do with the fact that Isaac Hayes is a Scientologist and that we recently featured Scientology in an episode of 'South Park,' " Matt Stone, co-creator of 'South Park,' said in a statement. "In 10 years and over 150 episodes of 'South Park,' Isaac never had a problem with the show making fun of Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews. He got a sudden case of religious sensitivity when it was his religion featured on the show. To bring the civil-rights struggle into this is just a non sequitur. Of course, we will release Isaac from his contract and we wish him well."

Ok guys I just have to say something. This may go against scientology and if someone here is a scientologist then I am sorry if I may offend.....but that episode of South park was ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS! While they were talking abotu the story of scientology they posted a message under it saying "this is what they really believed"....I Died laughin. It was possibly one of the greatest south park moments......ever.

Go watch it!

[stargazer99]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

Alone? Like...wha? What, do you feed them and change their diapers but not much else or literally leave them alone?

Here's some info I found on silent births and the "7 days" after the birth.

What a silent birth would mean for Katie:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9620245/

(I've recently read a few articles that claim Cruise made the mothers of his adopted children go through silent births!)

This one contains a quote from L. Ron Hubbard's about leaving the child alone for the first 24 hours after the birth:

http://www.slate.com/id/2128041/?nav...ontinueArticle

Apparently, the baby is also supposed to live the first 7 days after birth in silence. The parents aren't even supposed to talk to the child. I assume they provide basic needs such as feeding and diapering, but no verbal consoling when the child cries, etc.

Here's an article about a couple who challenged mandatory state blood tests for newborns, based on the "7 days of silence" Scientology rule:

http://www.galists.org/read/attachme...mlversion.html


No doubt this is a friggin cult! No one in their right mind would believe this crap is a good idea.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Ok guys I just have to say something. This may go against scientology and if someone here is a scientologist then I am sorry if I may offend.....but that episode of South park was ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS! While they were talking abotu the story of scientology they posted a message under it saying "this is what they really believed"....I Died laughin. It was possibly one of the greatest south park moments......ever.

Go watch it!

I agree, its on You Tube too! I want to watch it again now. Stupid work. Also, for sh*t's and giggles, do a search in You Tube on "Scientomogy". There's a hilarious Dane Cook skit in there and Tom's gems from last year's publicity debacles.

[wondergirl9847]

I will NEVER understand men who give instructions on how to act giving birth. Obviously, I don't know how much it hurts either, but for L. Ron to give that type of instruction and for people to actually follow it...ridiculous.

[stargazer99]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone fight back!

http://www.variety.com/VR1117939918.html

Inside Move: 'South Park' feeling some celeb heat?
Cable net abruptly pulls repeat of Scientology episode

By MICHAEL FLEMING

The battle between "South Park" creators TreyParker and Matt Stone and Scientology is escalating.

The dust-up gained steam last week when Isaac Hayes, a practicing Scientologist who has long been the voice of the character Chef, quit after objecting to a "South Park" episode called "Trapped in the Closet," which lampooned both the religion and Tom Cruise.

The skirmish continued this week, when Comedy Central abruptly pulled a repeat of that episode that was scheduled to air Wednesday evening. Showing instead was another memorable seg which featured Hayes's character, called "Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls."

Blog reports pegged the mysterious episode switch to objections raised by Cruise, who, the reports stated, threatened to not promote "Mission: Impossible 3," the summer tentpole for Viacom-owned Paramount.

A spokesman for Cruise denied that Cruise had ever made such a threat. "He never said any such thing about 'Mission: Impossible 3," the spokesman said.

While the "South Park" creators didn't directly comment on Comedy Central's decision to pull the episode, they issued an unusual statement to Daily Variety indicating the battle is not over.

"So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Temporarily anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!!"

The duo signed the statement "Trey Parker and Matt Stone, servants of the dark lord Xenu."

Date in print: Fri., Mar. 17, 2006, Los Angeles

[The Chain]

Originally Posted by stargazer99

Trey Parker and Matt Stone fight back!

While the "South Park" creators didn't directly comment on Comedy Central's decision to pull the episode, they issued an unusual statement to Daily Variety indicating the battle is not over.

"So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Temporarily anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!!"

The duo signed the statement "Trey Parker and Matt Stone, servants of the dark lord Xenu."

Date in print: Fri., Mar. 17, 2006, Los Angeles

Thats Trey and Matt for ya, I love those two so much.

[SuzeQuze]

Oh man they are funny! Comedy Central should be ashamed of themselves for bowing out under pressure.