Heather Mills McCartney Loses Leg In Row With J Lo's Guards

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's nice. I wonder how you would enjoy being anally electrocuted . . . .

Well, there was that time in Guatamala

Seriously, I know animals should be treated better - and I support that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's your opinion, but I'm not talking about PETA; I'm talking about the torturing and brutalizing of animals for no reason. I've continually asked how you feel about it and you won't answer me, other than to say that it's okay for J Lo because she worked to get where she is.

But - that begs the question of what is a human way to kill the ones we eat. I have seen just about all methods there are and while personally I think one may be more humane than the other - they are all pretty horrible Again, I am for the most humane way possible.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and the next time some fat cat pays you how much an hour for that leather sofa - please refuse

Yeah, that's definitely your brand of logic.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

P.S. LV is made of leather and you are a proffesed LV girl - please surrender it all now

You think I buy real LV? I'm not that frivolous with my money. I think I did once years ago. Knock-offs all the way, babe. You can even buy LV knock-offs at Overstock.com nowadays.

[GODDESS6]

Originally Posted by dissention

They torture the animals before they die. The traps that are set to catch them usually don't kill them, only wounding them instead. Then they're put into cages to suffer until these butchers deem it time to skin them. When they do murder them, they either electrocute them, poison them with carbon-monoxide, break their necks, slit their throats, or strangulate them. Unfortunately, a great number of them do not die from any of that and end up being skinned alive. People who wear real fur when they can wear faux fur sicken me.

this is so sad~ did you ever watch the docu, i think it was called "roger & me" another michael moore thingy?, but there was a chick on there who lost her job & was raising bunnies for this purpose, so she is sitting there holding 1 of her bunnies all sweet like, & then she just hits the poor thing in the head w/ a bat & skinned it right there, i thought i was gonna throw-up~ i will never wear fur~ hell my mall has a great store w/ fakes, you can hardly tell the difference~

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But - that begs the question of what is a human way to kill the ones we eat. I have seen just about all methods there are and while personally I think one may be more humane than the other - they are all pretty horrible Again, I am for the most humane way possible.

Humane killing is an oxymoron and you know that.

It's unrealistic to think that anyone can put the meat industry out of business and stop people from eating meat, but it is not unrealistic to curb animal cruelty before these creatures are murdered for food. There is no excuse for the conditions they live in or the ways in which they're abused. To kill an animal by cutting limbs off while they're still alive and only stunned by electric shocks is reprehensible. Or to kill them by boiling them alive. Or to break their legs and shove them into cages to suffer until it's their time to have their throats slit. There are ways to prevent it but the meat industry doesn't want to because it would require too much effort and they see nothing wrong with what's happening.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, there was that time in Guatamala

Seriously, I know animals should be treated better - and I support that.

What are you doing to support the better treatment of these animals?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by GODDESS6

this is so sad~ did you ever watch the docu, i think it was called "roger & me" another michael moore thingy?, but there was a chick on there who lost her job & was raising bunnies for this purpose, so she is sitting there holding 1 of her bunnies all sweet like, & then she just hits the poor thing in the head w/ a bat & skinned it right there, i thought i was gonna throw-up~ i will never wear fur~ hell my mall has a great store w/ fakes, you can hardly tell the difference~

I don't know how those people can sleep at night. I can't even go into pet shops because I see all of those animals in cages and cry because they look so sad and I can't take them home.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

What are you doing to support the better treatment of these animals?

Having a barbeque

Actually, Mr. Let's Try to Call Jason on the Carpet

I give to many animal charities such The Humane Society as well as many human ones.

I also wrote my Congress People to support some Act about humane methods of slaughter.

What I do not do is throw paint on people or haul into someone's office that I consistently decry and expect them to welcome me with open arms and then act put upon when they throw me and my media crew out on my a$$.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Humane killing is an oxymoron and you know that.

It's unrealistic to think that anyone can put the meat industry out of business and stop people from eating meat, but it is not unrealistic to curb animal cruelty before these creatures are murdered for food. There is no excuse for the conditions they live in or the ways in which they're abused. To kill an animal by cutting limbs off while they're still alive and only stunned by electric shocks is reprehensible. Or to kill them by boiling them alive. Or to break their legs and shove them into cages to suffer until it's their time to have their throats slit. There are ways to prevent it but the meat industry doesn't want to because it would require too much effort and they see nothing wrong with what's happening.

I agree with that and was not arguing against it. I was merely saying what is the difference between chopping a chicken's head off or some other method of killing it.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Having a barbeque

Screw you. If you want to have a discussion about this, have one, don't act like an asshole just because you know how to piss me off.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Actually, Mr. Let's Try to Call Jason on the Carpet

Am I not allowed to ask you what you're doing to support animal rights?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I agree with that and was not arguing against it. I was merely saying what is the difference between chopping a chicken's head off or some other method of killing it.

There's quite a marked difference between gassing them and chopping off their heads while they're still alive.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, that's definitely your brand of logic.

Well, I think you should put your money where your mouth is and insist on using leather only from cows humanely raised and then killed for that sofa. I mean how is that different than boycotting KFC for the inhumane way they raise their chickens (which I abhor BTW)

Originally Posted by dissention

You think I buy real LV? I'm not that frivolous with my money. I think I did once years ago. Knock-offs all the way, babe. You can even buy LV knock-offs at Overstock.com nowadays.

I do not care for LV at all. But, I LOVE overstock.com

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Screw you.

Well, make up sex can be hot

Originally Posted by dissention

If you want to have a discussion about this, have one, don't act like an asshole just because you know how to piss me off.

I thought it was funny and added levity

Originally Posted by dissention

Am I not allowed to ask you what you're doing to support animal rights?

It came across as snarky But, if you say you did not intend it that way, that's good enough for me

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

There's quite a marked difference between gassing them and chopping off their heads while they're still alive.

Gassing them would seem the more cost efficient way as well.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, I think you should put your money where your mouth is and insist on using leather only from cows humanely raised and then killed for that sofa. I mean how is that different than boycotting KFC for the inhumane way they raise their chickens (which I abhor BTW)

Because I'm not in any sort of position to do so. I don't own my own company, therefore I don't make the rules. When I run my own business, that's when I can implement such rules. I do what is requested of me if I want to keep my job. I don't get paid hourly, as you said I did, I get paid a set fee depending on the job; some want leather, some don't.