Texas bans homosexual and bisexual foster parents

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

My word - I think we have another optimist Nice to have you on board my train




There is no correlation between sexuality and sexual abuse of one's own children or any children for that matter, and a true pedophile a sort of independant sexuality that is interested only in pre pubescant children, the control and domination of which is the attraction not the sex ( http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm ) - Moreover, if the standard, which is suggested, for placing children is no deviating from anything other than sex for the sole purpose of procreation (no fellatio, no cunnilingus, no masterbation, etc. ) - then almost all humans would be prevented from adopting children. When this is pointed out, the religious right gets indignant and then instead of addressing that issue, it spins it and screams Leviticus says God hates homosexuality and, therefore, so should the state and everyone else. Most people then let their prejudice learned essentially from age 10 against homosexuals take over. Most are taught oir have abserved that society considers any gay act as horrid. So, it is easier to listen to that gut reaction than to say, "ya know - I am just as sexually deviant (their word) in a heterosexual manner so what is the big deal." I think it is rank hypocrisy.

I also think that the standard for adopting or fostering a child should be the ability to provide food, clothing, shelter, education, and love - all of which are not in any way limited to heterosexuality - in fact, many heterosexuals with their own children are incapable of providing that in any satisfactory manner. Yet all heterosexuals get the presumption that because their sex is cleaner than homosexual sex, they will be better parents.

It also does not help that the Roman Catholic Church and many others have equated child molesters to gay people, which is wrong because men, who are the vast majority of all abusers, molest both girls and boys. Yet, unlike homosexuality, all of heterosexuality is not shunned when a man molests a little girl. So, we see the hypocrisy again.

Finally, people say public actions of gay people lead to their aborrence. I think the same could be said for many heterosexual public acts. I mean look at "Girls Gone Wild" and just about any music video these days. All of that contains blatant sexuality and nudity. Look at the way teenage girls dress these days. It is just as provocative as some shirtless gay gay walking down the street. Yet, heterosexuals are not shunned for it the way homosexuals are when some guy wears leather in public, which BTW heterosexuals do as well.

In the end, people may say they tolerate, like, etc. homosexuals, but in the end, they are not willing to put up with them on any socially relevant level as witnessed by the 70+ % public denial of the right to marry and therefore get the benefits automatically provided to heterosexual couples.

Sad - very true.

It is and I totally agree with the whole thing, especially that of being able to provide shelter. I come from a generally disadvantaged community (I am thankfully not as such) and so I have seen people around who realistically would have been better off with any form of love.

Unfortunately Double Standards always seem to rule, there is such little justification for prejudice against homosexuals it scares me people could be so naive and stupid, because it leads to worse, it leads to crime and hurt.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

My word - I think we have another optimist Nice to have you on board my train

I am also an optimist. However, I am a realist at the same time and I have been severely disappointed so many times that my optimism tends to get clouded by cynicism.

There is no correlation between sexuality and sexual abuse of one's own children or any children for that matter, and a true pedophile a sort of independant sexuality that is interested only in pre pubescant children, the control and domination of which is the attraction not the sex ( http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm ) - Moreover, if the standard, which is suggested, for placing children is no deviating from anything other than sex for the sole purpose of procreation (no fellatio, no cunnilingus, no masterbation, etc. ) - then almost all humans would be prevented from adopting children. When this is pointed out, the religious right gets indignant and then instead of addressing that issue, it spins it and screams Leviticus says God hates homosexuality and, therefore, so should the state and everyone else. Most people then let their prejudice learned essentially from age 10 against homosexuals take over. Most are taught oir have abserved that society considers any gay act as horrid. So, it is easier to listen to that gut reaction than to say, "ya know - I am just as sexually deviant (their word) in a heterosexual manner so what is the big deal." I think it is rank hypocrisy.

Of course. Humans love to revel in their fear. It will justify anything. Anyone in power will latch onto using fear to control others in a heartbeat. It's just so easy to do and one of the very basic characteristics of humanity.

I also think that the standard for adopting or fostering a child should be the ability to provide food, clothing, shelter, education, and love - all of which are not in any way limited to heterosexuality - in fact, many heterosexuals with their own children are incapable of providing that in any satisfactory manner. Yet all heterosexuals get the presumption that because their sex is cleaner than homosexual sex, they will be better parents.

I think the simple fact that one would actually CARE about a foster child would be enough to qualify them for the job. The five things you listed all come under the umbrella of just wanting to take care of them.

It also does not help that the Roman Catholic Church and many others have equated child molesters to gay people, which is wrong because men, who are the vast majority of all abusers, molest both girls and boys. Yet, unlike homosexuality, all of heterosexuality is not shunned when a man molests a little girl. So, we see the hypocrisy again.

They don't see it that way. They see homosexuality as deviant behavior and heterosexuality as acceptable behavior. The two are not on equal footing to the fundementalist religious person. A heterosexual who molests a little kid is a pedophile and pedophiles are in the same category as homosexuals, whereas heterosexuals are not in that category. Therefore, they think they are not hypocrites. It's the reason why that twat Lynn Cheney was so upset that John Kerry referred to Mary Cheney as a lesbian. Mary Cheney IS a lesbian, but Lynn Cheney thinks that being a lesbian is the equivalent of being a pedophile and thus stating that she is a lesbian is an insult.

The ignorance of the religious right is astounding.

Finally, people say public actions of gay people lead to their aborrence. I think the same could be said for many heterosexual public acts. I mean look at "Girls Gone Wild" and just about any music video these days. All of that contains blatant sexuality and nudity. Look at the way teenage girls dress these days. It is just as provocative as some shirtless gay gay walking down the street. Yet, heterosexuals are not shunned for it the way homosexuals are when some guy wears leather in public, which BTW heterosexuals do as well.

I think you are a little bit wrong here. America, in general, is extremely prudish and puritanical. All those "Girls Gone Wild" chicks receive just as much scorn from the general public as flaming queens, etc. do- same thing with obese people. However, I will agree with you in that there is a huge disconnect out there and the hypocritical disconnect is this....

Despite the illusion that straight guys in general try to project, most men (gays included) are pigs. It's the nature of the beast. Men love sex and all the things that come with it. Thus, "Girls Gone Wild", internet porn and the gay porn industry. When Jimmy Carter said the infamous "I have lusted in my heart" he offended everyone because he told the simple truth that most guys refuse to admit. So, "Girls Gone Wild" chicks are skanky sluts on the outside, but secretly those same guys who say they're skanks actually want to f*ck them. This is not to say that all guys are like that, however the billion dollar porn industry gives one a good idea of how common this attitude must be.

In the end, people may say they tolerate, like, etc. homosexuals, but in the end, they are not willing to put up with them on any socially relevant level as witnessed by the 70+ % public denial of the right to marry and therefore get the benefits automatically provided to heterosexual couples.

Sad - very true.

Yep.

[strandinthewind]

I know America is prudish. But, ny point is the heterosexual population may publicly eschew "Girls Gone Wild" but they still buy it in private. I mean the outrage at Janet's boob was only overshadowed by the demand to see it and the millions of TIVO downloads. Thus, the heterosexual population says one thing and does another in that aspect - hypocrites. But, I see what you are saying

[diamondsnake]

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, but where do people get the idea homosexuals are violent or abusive? All the homosexuals I know are pretty passive. Unless abusive is commenting on someone's fashion faux pas then I am confused.

[chiliD]

Is there any chance that the instigator...1/2 insane (sorry, but I think that person is all the way insane)...is a New Jersey resident Ledgie who was banned and has come back under a pseudonym?

Can we check the IP address?

The homophobic slant of the post reads in just all too familiar of a tone.

[Mari]

I hadn't even thought of that yet!

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Is there any chance that the instigator...1/2 insane (sorry, but I think that person is all the way insane)...is a New Jersey resident Ledgie who was banned and has come back under a pseudonym?

Can we check the IP address?

The homophobic slant of the post reads in just all too familiar of a tone.

This sent a shiver through me...