The Girls Light Em Up on Unreleased Versions

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Coolest cat you will ever meet. Ask him to go out for Chinese food.
Don't try to figure him out. And love my man Paul Simon if he's out on tour with him. He sang Mrs. Robinosn to me duing a sound check once when he was out with Dylan and well... Jesus... Paul gets it.

I watched Dylan's bio on Biography the other night and he's a walking enigma. His book was a good read, but it seemed so blah. I'm really looking forward to Scorsese's documentary on him, though. I read it's going to be on PBS by the end of the year. Personally, I'd just love to have a compilation book of quotes from him over the years.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

I watched Dylan's bio on Biography the other night and he's a walking enigma. His book was a good read, but it seemed so blah. :

It's all we will ever get from him. I saw him in 2000 and it was still the Kabuki makeup so...

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

It's all we will ever get from him. I saw him in 2000 and it was still the Kabuki makeup so...

He wore that to a screening of Masked and Anonymous, the one where he got furious at Jessica Lange for giving away the secret that he wrote the script. That movie is a one-of-a-kind.

[AliP]

Originally Posted by David

The songs that she told the Cleveland radio station were stolen were the songs somebody bootlegged on vinyl (Almanac) in 1979: Without You, Cathouse Blues, Goldfish & Ladybug, Sorcerer, Nomad, Watchdevil, etc.

From that interview, it sounds like she gave her tapes to everyone and their dog. No wonder they got out. Tisk, tisk. She probably still does the same thing.

WMMS Phone Interview - 1981
(about how her demos got stolen specifically Cathouse Blues and Sorcerer)"I kind of know where I was when those particular songs were put together, so I know exactly when it was, even, when they disappeared which even makes me angrier because it makes me think of who I knew which is somebody that has total access to my tapes which is anybody that is a total friend of mine. I mean, anybody who is my friend has had all those tapes for five years and its only just now that they've come out and I also think that if it was a really good friend of mine, they would have just made a better copy because they could have!"

[desertangel]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

A seperate question... do most other artists have this many demos and outtakes out there (not live shows)? I've never had any interest in checking out other atrists' fan sites. But are Stevie and Fleetwood Mac so unique? And if so - WHY??? That is the question that would interest me. Are Stevie/Lindsey/Fleetwood Mac fans so very different in their love and need for material?

It's very common. Collecting kinda goes with being a fan of anything. Jimi Hendrix rings abound with TONS of demos, outtakes and live shows that get traded away and downloaded like nothing. There are books written about all of them. Way more than Stevie and FM, in my opinion. And that guy's been dead for years. He didn't even start recording everything he did until he started to get really famous and that only lasted three years. That's all these people do, sit around and record stuff all day, all night, day in and day out. Except if they're taking Klonopin or something.

From what I read, it seems a lot of Jimi's stuff came from whoever was involved in running whichever studio he was in at the time. Eventually he bought a portable and would give create tapes in his apartment then give them to people for safekeeping. He also used to "lose" them in taxis because he was too stoned and lost track of what he was doing.

There are people who were close to Jimi Hendrix who have gone on record saying that Jimi would not have wanted fans to have the material that is bootlegged and pirated because it does not represent his best work and being that he was such a perfectionist as a musician, it would have upset him if he knew people were listening to stuff that he did not want made public as it was not the best representation of his music. It's a familiar story. And his fans are just as rabid, well, they're actually MORE rabid about collecting every scrap of anything ever recorded. Prolly party because he's dead, but mostly because he was the kick a*s guitar player of all time.


Laura

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by dissention

: His book was a good read, but it seemed so blah.

You are the first person, other than me, who I've heard (read) say this. Definitely a good read, but maybe because the critics had built it up to so much. I thought he seemed, at times, really pompous. At other times, really bored with his whole existance.

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Darling, I feel like if we could talk to them one on one, their answers would be different.

I think you're right. I would so love to sit down with Stevie, or the three of them even, and talk to them about them...

[dissention]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

You are the first person, other than me, who I've heard (read) say this. Definitely a good read, but maybe because the critics had built it up to so much. I thought he seemed, at times, really pompous. At other times, really bored with his whole existance.

The critics always blow smoke when it comes to Dylan. Take his last album. It had some amazing tracks, but it also had some real stinkers; stuff I wouldn't listen to twice (um, Mississippi?). Yet they praised it to the high heavens.

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by dissention

The critics always blow smoke when it comes to Dylan. Take his last album. It had some amazing tracks, but it also had some real stinkers; stuff I wouldn't listen to twice (um, Mississippi?). Yet they praised it to the high heavens.

Yeah, he's definitely in that "Untouchables" category. Frankly, I think critics are just scared to say anything negative about him for fear of looking uneducated, unhip, uncool. Whatev. I thought his writing was great - no surprise there. But the structure (which so many have praised for being so 'out there" and refreshing) just baffled me. And I was dying to learn something about the people around him. I wanted to know who his wife was. Who his kids were. They were clearly SO important to him, and yet the reader got nothing. I think if you're going to write an autobiography or memoir, you can't decide to protect the identities of the people who shaped your life. Don't have to give names, but at least give them substance. And drop a little of the self-importance and arrogance.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

You are the first person, other than me, who I've heard (read) say this. Definitely a good read, but maybe because the critics had built it up to so much. I thought he seemed, at times, really pompous. At other times, really bored with his whole existance.

I really enjoyed the book, especially the parts about the early years in the Village.
It's definitely not a tell all, though.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I remember at one of the TISl shows I went to she said something before Planets..."I know many of you have heard this a long time ago and that is great..."...I guess she has just accepted it.

I remember this too.

[seeker007nmss]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I really enjoyed the book, especially the parts about the early years in the Village.
It's definitely not a tell all, though.

He doesn't remember it all........A few "missing" moments in the old brain I would imagine.

[rbs3676]

I have been a friend of Cheap Trick's lead singer Robin Zander for over 25 years. I once asked him if the band was ever going to release a song called "Give Me A Lesson In Love" and he responded with "How do you know THAT song?" and I told him that I had gotten it from some bootlegger along with a number of other things (live tracks and some soundtrack stuff). Anyway, Robin told me that he thought it was a "goofy" song and I said, "Yeah, well, I'll bet you would really like that "goofy" money that people are shelling out to hear that "goofy" song!" and he totally agreed.
Another time, I told him how "That 70's song" (which, at the time, had not been released as a single to the public, just radio) was going for as much as $30 on ebay and he could not believe it.
My point is...being in a band comes with all sorts of little downfalls and fans taping your shows and circulating demos is just par for the course. I know that Robin would love to make the money off of the bands bootlegs but he is also realistic about it and knows that, short of keeping everything in a vault, there isn't much he can do about it. I'm sure Stevie, in some ways, feels the same.

rbs

[Mad4stevie]

Why not be proactive and release an official CD of the Buckingham Nicks album? This would put the ax to all those "silver" cd copies out there on ebay, and the money would go to SN and LB.

[LeighB04]

In an interview some years ago, Stevie refers to her demos and says something to the effect that if people heard her singing the songs in their raw form, playing piano badly, singing badly, they would get the emotion and the meaning and would cry.
My question is: why not release the music in that form, instead of sanitising it beyond recognition with producers who don't hear the first raw song (as it should be)? I would MUCH rather hear the song as it was written, as it's meant to be than some over-produced cleaned up version.
Take control of your music, Stevie - get in first, before anybody has a chance to release more badly recorded bootlegs, and put it out for your fans in it's purest, beautiful form.