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Old 01-13-2004, 11:50 AM
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I also recall that I kinda dug "Love Is Dangerous." But isn't that riff a rippoff of the "Johnny Stew" riff?

Not even close. At least, I don't hear any similarities between the two.
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:51 AM
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Dog & Dustbin: Peter Green
Mr. Wonderful: Peter Green
Then Play On: Peter Green
Kiln House: Danny Kirwan
Future Games: Bob Welch
Bare Trees: Danny Kirwan
Penguin: Christine McVie
Mystery To Me: Bob Welch
Heroes Are Hard To Find: Christine McVie
Fleetwood Mac: Stevie Nicks
Rumours: Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham
Tusk: Stevie Nicks--HER BEST EVER
Mirage: Stevie Nicks
Tango In The Night: Christine McVie
Behind The Mask: Billy Burnette
Time: Unfortunately, no one
Say You Will: Lindsey Buckingham
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Old 01-13-2004, 12:17 PM
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[B-Mystery to Me- WHAT A CRUEL THING TO DO, MAKING ME CHOOSE A FAVE FROM MTM!!! I love, love, LOVE all the songs on here (even Forever) [/B]
Uhm, Forever has a bad reputation over here or what does that mean? It's my favourite song from this overall great album. (Just don`t like the "For your love" cover) Forever imo has such a relaxed sound and provides an extremely easy going mood. Where`s the hammock...?

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Old 01-13-2004, 12:46 PM
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Just wanted to point out that Lindsey didn't write "Blue Letter."
Terrific song though!
I know he didn't ...but he did sing it...so, I'm counting it as "his" song.

The more I think about it, though, I think Christine has the best songs on that album...even if "Sugar Daddy" isn't great.
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Old 01-13-2004, 01:42 PM
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Christine has the best songs on that album...even if "Sugar Daddy" isn't great.
Whatever Sugar Daddy may lack, is completely made up for with that piano and B3 sound. The "feel" of that song is awesome, IMO. World Turning and Sugar Daddy are my favorite two songs on the White album.
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Old 01-13-2004, 02:07 PM
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White album:
And the winner is... Stevie
Imo most of the songs on the White album come out better live. Monday mornig and Blue letter are great, but even more on stage. My all time favourite ISA lacks the stage power on the album. Saying that I would have to go with Stevie on this album- the transfer loss is not that large.
I must say that I can`t stand Christines contributions on the White album, Rumours (except Don`t stop) and espescially on Tusk. F.e. here: Warm ways, Over my head, Say you love me and espescially Sugar daddy are the opposite of the kind of music I like. Unfortunately two of these songs were standard on the live shows they did...
Rumours:
easily Lindsey. I never understood the hype about Dreams. It's really an O.K. song to me, I like it- but their greatest hit ever??? I don't get that. I really dislike "I don`t want to know", YMLF and Oh daddy". So Rumours is far from being my favourite FM album. That award goes to... Tusk
Tusk:
Well again Lindsey. It`s amazing how good his and Stevies incredible good songs (as different and contradictory as their contributions here are) fit in together that well. As I mentioned above I cut off all the Christine tracks on my version except Think about me. On the one hand I simply can't stand them. On the other hand they don`t fit to the LB and SN contributions and disturb the concept of the album imo.
Mirage:
Christine wins it for me. Love in store and Hold me- catchy pop tunes I always liked. On the other hand she contributed the worst song- Only over you. But the highlights do count more. To me Lindseys low point is "Empire state", and the "in the shadow of the shadow of the again shadowed shadow- song" is not a real jewel either and goes straight back to the shelve ;-)
Tango:
Lindsey rules
BTM:
Christine's two single hits make it- but all in all I ignore the album- it`s not my cup ot tea. O.K. hopping into the discusson with Chili and the others. I often stated that I don't like FM because of the name but because of the music and the sound (and in the first place because of Mr.Buckingham) So after LB`s departure the band's history ended for me, because they lost their trademark sound. Yes, they changed "the staff" a lot before. So is it forbidden to call the group FM then? Of course not. But my understanding of the band ended there. Billy and Rick- well I never would say they are bad musicians. I saw them live and yes Rick can play the guitar- no doubt. But I never could connect with the contributions of these two guys. To me their songwriting skills are mediocre at best.

Time:
Well there is one song on this effort that I like. It`s Becka`s Wind of change. I think that`s a really fine one.
But I don`t get a FM feeling, not on this song and not on the album- as I said before. There are a couple of guys making some kind of music I am not interested in. The name is the only connection there is.
The dance:
LB
Say you will:
LB

Concerning the time prior to Buckingham/Nicks. I am not too much into blues so the Peter Green era is a little out of my sight (even though I have a lot of respect for his work as far as I know it, it`s a trademark too). For anyone having been a fan since that time- the BN era must have been a drastical change. Probably the same feeling like I have with the Post BN things. But I dare to say that there is a huge quality difference between the FM-LB trademark sound and what came then- at least imo. Yeah, what the listener likes and what not is all about taste, so some of you might disagree and that's O.K. But I doubt that the Billy/Rick incarnation had that stamp/trademark sound to offer, that people did recognize as typical or connect to.
I really appreciate the Bob Welsh era because I appreciate the sound. It`s different from what came then but I would also like it if the bands name wasn't FM. I was skeptical when I bought those albums back in the day and was very surprised how awesome esp. Mystery was. Christine had her best time during that period too imo.
Btw I really would like to hear the songs ChiliD and others are discussing- the ones left out of BTM which you say are far superior to the included tracks. If I ever get a hold on them I will give them a fair chance.
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Old 01-13-2004, 02:21 PM
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Uhm, Forever has a bad reputation over here or what does that mean? It's my favourite song from this overall great album. (Just don`t like the "For your love" cover) Forever imo has such a relaxed sound and provides an extremely easy going mood. Where`s the hammock...?
Well, I've heard from a lot of people that they don't like the song, some think it's boring, etc. I just recently realized how much I love the song, I love the spacey vibe it has going, etc.
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Old 01-13-2004, 02:37 PM
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Lindsey conveyed more emotion on Say Goodbye and Red Rover than all of Stevie's songs combined, IMO.
I don't get any emotion, except perhaps humor, out of Red Rover - but I like the song a great deal and listen to it often.

And - I will go ahead and say it because I cannot resist the temptation, it took Stevie and all of the shipper and drugged out (all of them) craziness to get LB to the emotions in "Say Goodbye." Fire Away
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Old 01-13-2004, 03:56 PM
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Not even close. At least, I don't hear any similarities between the two.
Hmmm... I remembered Love Is Dangerous is on The Chain. So I pulled out my iPod and played it back to back with Johnny Stew. The first handful of notes in both riffs are very similar. They might be in different keys--I'd have to sit down with my guitar to figure that out--but I see a similarity. No big deal though.

Also, in listening to Love Is Dangerous, I started thinking, "Yeah, this is a decent song. I remember listening to it and digging it." But then the line, "Oh yeah this is wild" came and I remembered why I stopped listening to Stevie's stuff after 1985.
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Old 01-13-2004, 04:00 PM
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Also, in listening to Love Is Dangerous, I started thinking, "Yeah, this is a decent song. I remember listening to it and digging it." But then the line, "Oh yeah this is wild" came and I remembered why I stopped listening to Stevie's stuff after 1985.
The "Standing at the crossroads" and "Baby it's my crossroad" are what got to me.
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Old 01-13-2004, 04:14 PM
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The "Standing at the crossroads" and "Baby it's my crossroad" are what got to me.
I liked the crossroads stuff, the "wild" stuff on the other hand I do give her a little slack in this era in that she was not well with the Klonopin, Epstein Barr, weight gain, etc.

I still ove, however, "The Second Time" although it suffers from the worst editing job in the history of FM
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Old 01-13-2004, 04:27 PM
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I liked the crossroads stuff, the "wild" stuff on the other hand
All of it was cheesy as hell!

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I still ove, however, "The Second Time" although it suffers from the worst editing job in the history of FM
The lyrics are okay but the rest of it is...*think positive thoughts*
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Old 01-13-2004, 04:32 PM
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. . . but the rest of it is...*think positive thoughts*
Can I quote you on that!!

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Old 01-13-2004, 04:35 PM
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Can I quote you on that!!

And ruin my gloom-and-doom liberal reputation?! HELL NO!!!

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I don't get any emotion, except perhaps humor, out of Red Rover
Every time I hear it, it makes me cry. I feel every OUNCE of emotion from him on this song, especially "night after night".

But, it's all good, we just like it in different ways.
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