Fleetwood Mac and their drug intake - Page 4

DeeGeMe · #46 07-01-2003, 08:10 PM

I'm still reeling from the death of a friend earlier this year. He was headed home from work when a drunk driver slammed into his car and killed him. He was just 39 years old. I have no tolerance for folks who choose to drink and drive. Drink if you want to, lord knows I like a glass every now and again myself, but please, don't get behind the wheel of a car if you do.

strandinthewind · #47 07-01-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by DeeGeMe
I'm still reeling from the death of a friend earlier this year. He was headed home from work when a drunk driver slammed into his car and killed him. He was just 39 years old. I have no tolerance for folks who choose to drink and drive. Drink if you want to, lord knows I like a glass every now and again myself, but please, don't get behind the wheel of a car if you do.

I am sorry about your friend

Believe me, my car has spent many a night in a strange parking lot waiting to be retrived in the morning!

frostie · #48 07-01-2003, 10:02 PM

I'm not going to get too involved in this thread because my views are only my views. I may not agree with how someone else lives but that is their perogative. However, don't ever let your choice to use drugs, be it alcohol or other drugs (cocaine, pot etc. ) EVER endanger the lives of me or my family. If you are going to drink or do drugs, please do it in the privacy of your home with your friends and family and leave the rest of us out of it!! Too many innocent people get hurt by drunks or druggies.

Okay now that I have said that.....two words to justify NOT doing drugs...................................OZZIE OSBOURNE

goldustboi · #49 07-03-2003, 10:43 AM

Fiercestcalmsea, i agree with everything uv said....

Im 21 and iv just graduated from Liverpool University....and occasionally I take certain drugs. so does this mean im idiotic and stupid? I know what my limit is and i know when to stop, so as far as im concerned, this makes me NOT stupid.

and just to add in a bit about the mac, i cant say i totally agree with stevie calling the police on people who she sees using coke, i think thats a tad hypocritical, fair enough to have a word or even fire them, but to get them into serious trouble for doing something that she did for 10 years (and lets be honest, im sure she was lovin it for a good while) i think is a bit unfair. amen.

Janet · #50 07-03-2003, 12:50 PM

I am 100 percent against drugs.

My father died of a heroine overdose.

He got into an accident and he started with painkillers...that wasn't enough. He smoked pot...wasn't enough...eventually it was shooting up heroine. I won't go into my pathetic childhood story...but in the end he died.

NowI could have ended up a raging druggie or not.

I drink...I do. I have alcoholism all over my family..both sides. My moms dad died of it and my dads mother as well.

But somehow I was given the curse ( or blessing) of a weak stomach that can take about 3 glasses before I throw up. Never changes.

I have smoked pot. It made me feel sick and tired. I have gone into really bad throwing up fits because of it and I act really stupid.

I don't see any point. I won't ever try anything else because I don't see the point. To lose your head isn't worth it. To ease the pain isn't worth it. Its easier to buy something fattening to eat, go on a shopping spree or sleep it off, but drugs...

Every kid I work with does drugs. Nice kids...but they ALL do it. They are younger or my age...and they all...alllllllllll do it. They spend all their money on pot and more. Most of them don't even want to. Is their lives so hard or are we so conditioned never to feel anything but pure goodness?

I just don't know. This is always a weird subject, especially since I tried pot and drink. Im not better than anyone else but I will get on the soapbox just to get people to stop. I wish they didn't even exist!

dissention · #51 07-03-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Janet
I am 100 percent against drugs.

My father died of a heroine overdose.

He got into an accident and he started with painkillers...that wasn't enough. He smoked pot...wasn't enough...eventually it was shooting up heroine. I won't go into my pathetic childhood story...but in the end he died.

NowI could have ended up a raging druggie or not.

I drink...I do. I have alcoholism all over my family..both sides. My moms dad died of it and my dads mother as well.

But somehow I was given the curse ( or blessing) of a weak stomach that can take about 3 glasses before I throw up. Never changes.

I have smoked pot. It made me feel sick and tired. I have gone into really bad throwing up fits because of it and I act really stupid.

I don't see any point. I won't ever try anything else because I don't see the point. To lose your head isn't worth it. To ease the pain isn't worth it. Its easier to buy something fattening to eat, go on a shopping spree or sleep it off, but drugs...

Every kid I work with does drugs. Nice kids...but they ALL do it. They are younger or my age...and they all...alllllllllll do it. They spend all their money on pot and more. Most of them don't even want to. Is their lives so hard or are we so conditioned never to feel anything but pure goodness?

I just don't know. This is always a weird subject, especially since I tried pot and drink. Im not better than anyone else but I will get on the soapbox just to get people to stop. I wish they didn't even exist!

I'm so sorry to hear about that, Janet. Your post struck a chord with me because my father was also a heroin addict and there is a history of alcoholism in my family on both sides. It got so bad that my father ended robbing ten convenient stores over a one month period just to get his fix. After I discovered it, I was the one who turned him in. Now, he's in prison, but rightfully so; it's where he belongs for the things he did. It's because of things like this that I'm so set in my beliefs about drugs and why no one should take them. I feel that people who do drugs, even sporadically, are stupid for doing it. The risks that are involved and the fact that no one these days is ignorant to the effects of drugs just drive me bonkers when people say they take drugs. Add to it that people lose respect for you when you take drugs. it isn't worth it and I agree, I wish they didn't exist!

tommer · #52 07-03-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by dissention

tommer- When I was talking about legalization, I was referring to the US; I'd forgotten you're from Israel. But there is still no justification for doing drugs. Ask yourself why you need to stimulate yourself that way and think about it.

nice cliche'. but like most cliche's, it's basically true. yet again, i never claimed to be perfect in any way.
let me tell you a little secret, EVERYONE has to fill voids in their lives. some choose workoholism, some eat like pigs, some need to jump from one bed into another, other people have too many babies, and others choose to fill their voids in being misanthropes. few are the ones who manage to live their lives in a complete way which leaves nothing to be improved or avoided. too bad i'm not one of those lucky few basterds.
there must be a psychological reason for why i choose to do weed regularly, and occasionally an E (if the party justifies it).
let's just be happy that the way i choose to fill MY voids doesn't harm or risk anyone, one can't have it all, but i can take comfort in the fact that over-all i'm a pretty reliable guy, i hold responsible jobs nicely, i'm a good friend to have, an A student and i don't have a single police record whatsoever, not even a driving ticket, i stopped consuming alcohol many years ago, and i'm happy to say i'm not very dumb either.
Janet and Dissention, i'm honestly sorry for your losses, but i still don't think your attitudes should be the result of such disasters.
dissention, i know i'm not in the place to judge your actions towards your dad, i do not know the specific case, but generally speaking, i believe that drug addicts are being DRIVEN into a life of crime, i feel that it's unfair that above the fact that these people have a severe medical and psychological problem, they are being pushed to be criminals as well. as i stated earlier, i think those people do not belong in jail, they need medical and mental help instead.

dissention · #53 07-03-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by tommer
nice cliche'. but like most cliche's, it's basically true. yet again, i never claimed to be perfect in any way.
let me tell you a little secret, EVERYONE has to fill voids in their lives. some choose workoholism, some eat like pigs, some need to jump from one bed into another, other people have too many babies, and others choose to fill their voids in being misanthropes. few are the ones who manage to live their lives in a complete way which leaves nothing to be improved or avoided. too bad i'm not one of those lucky few basterds.
there must be a psychological reason for why i choose to do weed regularly, and occasionally an E (if the party justifies it).
let's just be happy that the way i choose to fill MY voids doesn't harm or risk anyone, one can't have it all, but i can take comfort in the fact that over-all i'm a pretty reliable guy, i hold responsible jobs nicely, i'm a good friend to have, an A student and i don't have a single police record whatsoever, not even a driving ticket, i stopped consuming alcohol many years ago, and i'm happy to say i'm not very dumb either.
Janet and Dissention, i'm honestly sorry for your losses, but i still don't think your attitudes should be the result of such disasters.
dissention, i know i'm not in the place to judge your actions towards your dad, i do not know the specific case, but generally speaking, i believe that drug addicts are being DRIVEN into a life of crime, i feel that it's unfair that above the fact that these people have a severe medical and psychological problem, they are being pushed to be criminals as well. as i stated earlier, i think those people do not belong in jail, they need medical and mental help instead.

But see, you're missing the point. Yes, these people are being driven to do things they wouldn't normally do, but they're the ones putting the key in the ignition. If they hadn't taken that one line, that one joint, that one shot, they wouldn't be in such horrible situations. They were the ones irresponsible enough to take drugs that could ruin their lives, they chose to do it. So, should the blame lay squarely on the shoulders of the drugs? I don't believe so; they are just as much to blame as the drugs, if not more. Drugs can't think, they can't pick and choose their victims. Human beings, however, can think; they can pick and choose to do things that could seriously effect their lives. The people who get addicted to drugs and commit horrible acts are responsible for taking drugs and committing horrible acts. If they hadn't had such a terrible lapse of good sense, they wouldn't in such dire circumstances.

If someone is a criminal, caught possessing narcotics and they are found to be addicted, do you just give them medical treatment and let them go free? Or should you give them medical treatment and then have them face the courts for their crimes? I know what I'd choose.

Give them medical treatment, of course. But don't let them off the hook just because of their "illness." If they've committed crimes, make them pay for them.

Sugar · #54 07-03-2003, 05:22 PM

The point that immediately comes to mind (and always does for me in these discussions) is that most people refer to "drugs" as though it's a single homogeneous group of substances. There's a world of difference between pot and heroin. And then here's cocaine and speed, also pretty damn different. I actually think pot is more benign than alcohol.

I'm also a big believer in personal responsibility. I don't really think drug possession on it's own should be a crime, but if you steal, it's a crime regardless of the reason. And there's tons of ways to screw up your life even without drugs, and I suspect there are pot smokers all over the honor rolls.

Remember, no one falls into a simple set of labels...

dissention · #55 07-03-2003, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Sugar
I don't really think drug possession on it's own should be a crime

But what about possession with intent to distribute? What if someone was arrested for possessing heroin and if they hadn't been arrested, that person would have sold it to a 15-year-old child? I'm not attacking you, I'm seriously asking your opinion on this.

PenguinHead · #56 07-03-2003, 08:02 PM

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I know he was quite disgusted with Mick and Stevie's cocaine use around the making of Tango.
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Stevie went into rehab after her Rock A Little tour in 1986. She was clean by the time Tango was being created. She may have been moody during those sessions, but she certainly wasn't doing cocaine. Lindsey's biggest beef with Stevie was that she didn't make herself very available for the sessions. That fact is evident by her scant (and questionable) representation on the album.

Hey! Nobody has mentioned John McVie's drug bust (in the early eighties) for unregistered firearms and cocaine. Anyone remember that? I recall his wife/girlfriend? was also arrested.

Sugar · #57 07-03-2003, 09:31 PM

WOULD have sold it to a 15 year old child? Maybe, maybe not. Let's face it, a 15 year old can get their hands on cigarettes or beer or porn or a gun or any number of other things if they really want to. That's life in a free society. And all those things ARE a crime, so again, if you commit a crime you should be held responsible for that. So if (in my model) possession alone isn't a crime, then it would take until that sale happens, and then there would be a crime.

I don't have a problem with legalizing pot. It would allow for some regulation (yes, SOME re my comment above about alcohol, guns, etc.) and I figure we could tax the hell out of it (like cigarretes and alcohol) and use the money to deal with harder drugs (education, treatment...) which I don't think should be legal. I would frankly like to see the cops leave the potheads alone and concentrate on the drugs that really DO kill people. I've never heard of anyone dying of a pot overdose or committing armed robbery so they could buy pot.

No offense taken! This has turned into an interesting and refreshingly civil discussion. If only we could be this civil in our opinions of Stevie and Lindsey!

FiercestCalmSea · #58 07-03-2003, 11:31 PM

I am very sorry to hear about your Dad. My father is a drug addict..I don't have alot of contact with him..he signed me away when i was little,although i do still see him b/c he lives with my grandmother.I am just waiting for the day when someone tells me he is dead....Everyone has tried to help him..he doesn't want to be helped..so there is really nothing anyone can do.It hasn't really made me anti-drugs though..because i am very conscious of what i am doing and what i don't want to do...so for all the things i may dabble in,i never ever let it go too far cause i know i never want to end up like my father.

Alison · #59 07-04-2003, 10:29 AM

I have already posted earlier what drugs have done to my son. My ex husband is now an alcoholic. Now I'm going to make some people squirm here a minuite.
I don't think any one in the Mac just one day woke up and started doing coke and acid. It all started from some where, alittle drink here and a little toke here.
The fact is we are all trying to fill that void in our lives with something, drugs, sex, shopping or what ever.
And that void is getting bigger as the world gets tougher.
Maybe be that void that every one has needs to be filled with God, your creator. He is the only one that can fill that void.
He's the one that can take the pain away. Run to Him and not to the drugs. So are you squirming yet?

FiercestCalmSea · #60 07-04-2003, 11:44 AM

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So are you squirming yet?

Nope.I had 10 years of Catholic School to do that. Please don't get me wrong,i am not mocking what you are saying at all,because i do agree that it is much more benefical to seek God than it is to knock back a bottle of Smirnoff.I am sure people seek drugs to fill a void,and if that is the case,it is sad.When i drink,etc,it is to have a good time..I am 22 years old..i like to party..i am not drinking away any major problems or anything...i have the sense to realize that if i was doing that,i'd have a problem on my hands.I am sorry about your sons,Alison...my brother is the same way..it is very,very sad