Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Ok, well I'm tired of going back and forth with everyone.

We should agree to disagree, none of us are going to change are views on any of these topics. It doesn't make us any less Americans we just live in a country where we can have opinions without being killed.

So, On to other topics...

God bless everyone!

didnt I say this very thing 10 pages back? you are a piece of work.
and fyi: standing up for the children that are already HERE is even more important than worrying about the ones that arent here yet in my opinion.
and your and your "God bless everyone" has a HOLLOW ring.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

didnt I say this very thing 10 pages back? you are a piece of work.
and fyi: standing up for the children that are already HERE is even more important than worrying about the ones that arent here yet in my opinion.
and your and your "God bless everyone" has a HOLLOW ring.

and i wouldn't expect you to say anything else.

[Johnny Stew]

"I certainly know more people in our community who have taken their own lives than I know who have died from AIDS."

The same is true for me. I have known more than a few young men in their teens and early 20s, who ultimately took their own lives because of the fear they felt in regards to how society and/or their parents would regard them if it were known that they were gay.

Because of this, and because of my own teenaged experiences with accepting my homosexuality, this is a subject that is VERY close to my heart, and it is perhaps the absolute biggest reason why I am so passionate and vocal about gay rights.
I know first-hand how homophobia can destroy the self-esteem of a young gay person. The callous disregard that is demonstrated by our political and religious leaders, when it comes to the feelings of a CHILD struggling with the fact that they're "different," is appalling to me.

People can thump the bible all they want, and yell that homosexuality is immoral until they're blue in the face, but, in my eyes, nothing is ever as immoral as allowing a child to believe that they don't deserve to live simply because we can't get past our stubborn adherence to barbaric prejudices.

Originally Posted by takenbythesky

I may be naive, but I DO believe I CAN "fight the world," and that I CAN "change it."

At this point, the price of silence is too great.

We CAN change the world, and we ARE changing the world. Slowly... far too slowly. But it's happening. So we have to keep fighting the good fight. Always.

Once again, for kids like Jimmy, and for those who remain....

[ryan8472]

Bravo, Justin,

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

I’m not going to get into a long story about what happened to me in a juvenile facility at the age of 11.

I won’t tell you what that guard did to my body and soul. I just can’t let that haunt me again.

If you can read this story and still say you don’t understand why I choose to be anti gay then you need serious help.

Read it damn it. Read it.

http://www.armyofgod.com/JesseDirkhising.html

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

If you can read this story and still say you don’t understand why I choose to be anti gay then you need serious help.

Sorry, I don't. No one should ever have to go through that kind of experience, and I'm sorry for you or anyone else who has. But the simple fact is people are raped, murdered, molested, and assaulted by heterosexuals on a daily basis as well. It doesn't make me hate and stereotype every heterosexual I run into. Basing your opinion of an entire community of people on the actions of just a few is a poor justification for any kind of prejudice.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

Sorry, I don't. No one should ever have to go through that kind of experience, and I'm sorry for you or anyone else who has. But the simple fact is people are raped, murdered, molested, and assaulted by heterosexuals on a daily basis as well. It doesn't make me hate and stereotype every heterosexual I run into. Basing your opinion of an entire community of people on the actions of just a few is a poor justification for any kind of prejudice.

There you go with the hate word again. I never said I hate gays but most of you continue to bring the word up over and over again. Very unforgiving group of people here. Very unforgiving.

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

There you go with the hate word again. I never said I hate gays but most of you continue to bring the word up over and over again. Very unforgiving group of people here. Very unforgiving.

Well the word "anti" implies a very strong dislike for. Forget I said it then. Are you not still "against" gays, though, and would you not agree that you are stereotyping?

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

Well the word "anti" implies a very strong dislike for. Forget I said it then. Are you not still "against" gays, though, and would you not agree that you are stereotyping?

Yes I’m anti gay. It doesn’t mean I hate gays, but you’re clouded mind cant seem to understand that.

Would you not agree you’re guilty of stereotyping as well. Be honest.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

Basing your opinion of an entire community of people on the actions of just a few is a poor justification for any kind of prejudice.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Yes I’m anti gay. It doesn’t mean I hate gays, but you’re clouded mind cant seem to understand that.

So, what exactly does "anti gay" mean? I'm not going to make any assumptions- you tell me what your definition is.

Also, there have been thousands of violent crimes and murders committed by heterosexuals against homosexuals simply because they are gay. The vast majority of these crimes are rarely publicized in any type of format. However, knowing all of this, I wouldn't brand all heterosexuals violent, murderous homophobes. Food for thought.

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Yes I’m anti gay. It doesn’t mean I hate gays, but you’re clouded mind cant seem to understand that.

Would you not agree you’re guilty of stereotyping as well. Be honest.

My mind is pretty clear, thanks. I didn't even say you hated gays; I said if something was done to me by a person of a particular community, it wouldn't make me hate every member of that community. See? No mention of you. I do admit that it implied you hated gays though, and for that I apologize. Though I think you've certainly implied that before on this board yourself, even if that wasn't your intention.

And no, I'm not guilty of stereotyping.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

Though I think you've certainly implied that before on this board yourself, even if that wasn't your intention.

Show me proof.

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

And no, I'm not guilty of stereotyping.

Yeah OK

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Show me proof.

I can't show you proof of my interpretation of something. Which was obviously wrong, for which I've already apologized.

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Yeah OK

Hey, believe what you want. I don't judge groups based on individuals. Not even Republicans .

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

I’m not going to get into a long story about what happened to me in a juvenile facility at the age of 11.

I won’t tell you what that guard did to my body and soul. I just can’t let that haunt me again.

If you can read this story and still say you don’t understand why I choose to be anti gay then you need serious help.

Read it damn it. Read it.

http://www.armyofgod.com/JesseDirkhising.html

I still don't understand why you would choose to be against an entire group of people for the wrong acts of two or three.

You just gave all Iraqis the reason why it's justifiable that they should be against American soldiers.

You gave all Israelis a reason to be anti-Palestine and all Palestinians a reason to be anti-Israeli with no end in sight.

You gave countless women a reason to be anti-men.

Countless black men a reason to be anti-cop.

Countless Japanese Americans a reason to be anti-American government.

On and on...

No, I can't see why you would CHOOSE to be that way and think that's any way to live. But it is your choice. It's also your loss.

[Johnny Stew]

This is the last post I'm going to make regarding the current topic of this thread, but I just wanted to highlight something from the website dedicated to Jimmy Wheeler....

"Jimmy tried to pretend that he was completely comfortable with who he was. He tried to pretend that it didn't bother him when the kids called him names like 'Faggot' or 'Queer' or that it didn't totally humiliate him when they pulled him out of the gym class shower and peed on him."

My experiences growing up were not too dissimilar to Jimmy's. I was subjected to a lot of violence and abusive behaviour, due to the fact that I was "different."

But the actions of the individuals who directed their anger, hatred and violence toward me, is solely THEIR responsibility. No one else's.
And for me to blame the entire straight white male population for the heinous actions of a few, would be near-sighted and unfair. Not the least of which to myself.

It took me a long time to find forgiveness, but I did. And, these days, my goal is to make friends and allies of those who don't happen to share my sexual orientation... rather than living my life suspicious of people because of my childhood and teenaged experiences.

Ok, back to work.