The doc!!!

[dissention]

Originally posted by teedee
your comparisons to lindseys club sell outs, dont mean that he would of sold out bigger venues, how do i know that becuase he did not sell out all the clubs . and because he new he couldnt fill the bigger venues, hence a club tour was born. even if stevie didnt sell out her venues,, she would of sold out the clubs because the attendence numbers that you say are in gold, dont lie right. so even the smallest attendence that she had is still greater than any club. so if you try to chop down stevies attendance to see how it would of turned out , if you as good at math as you are at lindseys most inner thoughts and meanings.lol. i think you will find that stevie would fill and sell out club.... answer me one question why is it so hard for you to ever see someone elses and i dont mean mine, point of view ?

i need to rest, this post is making me tired lol, oh that was another post, im not tired i just need to rest. lol.

Keep up! I already conceded that point to Johnny!

[teedee]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
In my opinion, the name "Fleetwood Mac" will always be the bigger draw, but, Stevie's involvement in the tour draws an additional set of people who probably wouldn't go if she weren't a part of it.

It's sort of like going to see the Doobie Brothers without Michael McDonald, Yes without Jon Anderson, or Journey without Steve Perry.
The music is still great, and the other musicians are still just as talented as they always are, but the presence of that one certain frontperson with the recognizable name, sweetens the deal and makes the concert tickets that much more desirable.

well said,
i know that if stevie were not on this tour, i would NOT be attending myself,

i would go see lindsey on a solo tour for sure,
but i would NOT attend a FM concert with out stevie....

would i go to a fm concert with out lindsey, but stevie was there, YES i would.
im sure some like yourself (i mean dissention , not you johnny) would disagree with me , but i think the majority would agree with me on this one! the bottom line in general is stevie is the bigger draw. i know some ppl are coming to this tour because of the combo of both of them. but with the example i just gave, i think seperatley stevie has the upper hand, and i dont mean this in any way as disrespect for lindsey, he is so underated, but thats life..

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by teedee
well said,
i know that if stevie were not on this tour, i would NOT be attending myself,

i would go see lindsey on a solo tour for sure,
but i would NOT attend a FM concert with out stevie....

would i go to a fm concert with out lindsey, but stevie was there, YES i would.
im sure some like yourself (i mean dissention , not you johnny) would disagree with me , but i think the majority would agree with me on this one! the bottom line in general is stevie is the bigger draw. i know some ppl are coming to this tour because of the combo of both of them. but with the example i just gave, i think seperatley stevie has the upper hand, and i dont mean this in any way as disrespect for lindsey, he is so underated, but thats life..

Halleluiah! Someone else agrees with me. Stevie is the bigger draw, obviously. And, I don't think I would go to a FM show sans Stevie. Maybe if Christine was still onboard I would still go, but with just Lindsey there, I don't think so.

Like you said, generally speaking, Stevie has a larger, more dedicated fan base. Lindsey has a smaller fanbase, so it is fair to say he draws a lesser amount of people to the Fleetwood Mac shows.

[dissention]

This whole argument has gotten to the point of sheer absurdity.

You all know my thoughts, consider me done with this bull.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by teedee
if stevies songs were rejected from previous FM projects, why would they look at that reject again , if they felt it wasnt worthy?

You answered your own question, which makes me wonder why you asked it:

now if you stated that her material didnt flow with the other material they had already chosen, i can understand that.

but when you stated that stevies rejects werent up to par with lindseys new material(some 15 yrs old) and she felt she needed to write new songs, you imply a negative feeling about her songs.

It just isn't. Lindsey's music is far superior in SYW. Generally it has been better, but this time the quality between the two writers was galaxies apart. Stevie submitted two killer songs and a bunch of ho-hum cuts. Lindsey submitted positively wonderful music, with exception of Come.

as for lindsey and his record company , rejecting the project. if someone says to you linds, your songs would be better suited for a fm cd, rather than a solo, (kind of like the example of and extented vacation and getting fired) and if he was so content and believed and was sure of his solo stuff being out there wouldnt he have put it out anyways,,,, just like the whole double cd with syw, he was willing to eat lots of money if it only sold 300,000,he would of been fine with that (but in the end of the doc.

As much as I'd like to answer that, I just can't follow it. Perhaps you'd like to rephrase?

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
You're right, they don't....
Even Stevie's lowest selling shows were doing up to four times those numbers.
So let's not go there, huh?

Comparing Stevie's big-production arena shows to Lindsey's club tour doesn't make a lot of sense, and I'm sure you even agree with that. Lindsey wanted to do an intimate show showcasing the guitar.

As I recall, he lost money on that tour. Imagine Stevie actually agreeing to lose money on a tour.

In any case, it's apples and oranges. And besides, you know I don't really care about the numbers. If Lindsey released an album that no else but I bought and if were the only one to show up to see him play, I'd still argue that it's better than Stevie's stuff.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by teedee
well if you mean the lindsey pulled them, then why on earth would he be asking for those rejects back for this cd? im not saying it cant happen, but i dont see him asking for it, i think once he hears something , i think he knows either what to do with it or he just doesnt feel it. i know you stated rejects doesnt mean a song is bad , but its in the way you propose your posts, that makes everything stevie , look in a negative light, is all im saying.

I find your constant assumptions rather distracting. Do you really think Lindsey called Stevie and asked for particular songs or did she just dump in the studio whatever she felt they could work with?

And it's been documented enough that a lot Stevie's songs were rejected from FM projects over the years. It's OK. Not the end of the world.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Lindsey's music is far superior in SYW. Generally it has been better, but this time the quality between the two writers was galaxies away. Stevie submitted two killer songs and a bunch of ho-hum cuts. Lindsey submitted positively wonderful music, with exception of Come.

That's still an absolute matter of taste.
With the exception of "Murrow," "Miranda," "Peacekeeper," and the lyrics to "Say Goodbye," the highlights on the album all belong to Stevie. In my very humble opinion.

For me (and as much as I love Lindsey), 'Gift Of Screws' would have been an album of about five original songs that I really loved, and another seven or more that I only "kind of liked."
In fact, it scared me when I realized that the majority of my favorite 'GOS' tracks turned out to be Stones and Donovan covers.

Stevie's material elevated the album to something much better, and far more well-rounded. Again, in my very humble opinion.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
If Lindsey released an album that no else but I bought and I if were the only one to show up to see him play, I'd still argue that it's better than Stevie's stuff.

Understandably so, because you're a Lindsey fan, first and foremost.
I feel the same way about Stevie. If I were the only person buying her albums, it'd be fine by me... because as long as she reaches ME, that's all that matters.

Nearly 19 years after I first became a fan, and I'm more into her music than ever... while I've lost interest in a great number of other artists over the years.
To me, that says it all.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
That's still an absolute matter of taste.
With the exception of "Murrow," "Miranda," "Peacekeeper," and the lyrics to "Say Goodbye," the highlights on the album all belong to Stevie. In my very humble opinion.

That's it! I challenge you to a duel!

Of course it's mostly opinion. I won't bore you with dissecting the songs musically again, but like it or not, Lindsey is ahead there too.

Look, which Fleetwood Mac song was picked by the Smithsonian (or whatever it was) as one of the 300 songs of the century? Gee, it wasn't the only No. 1 song. It wasn't Gypsy or Sara.

It was Go Your Own Way. As well it should be.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Nearly 19 years after I first became a fan, and I'm more into her music than ever... while I've lost interest in a great number of other artists over the years.
To me, that says it all.

Well, you know, Johnny, I too became a fan because of Stevie. Then my taste evolved. I am glad, however, you still get great enjoyment from her work.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Of course it's mostly opinion. I won't bore you with dissecting the songs musically again, but like it or not, Lindsey is ahead there too.

Look, which Fleetwood Mac song was picked by the Smithsonian (or whatever it was) as one of the 300 songs of the century? Gee, it wasn't the only No. 1 song. It wasn't Gypsy or Sara.

It was Go Your Own Way. As well it should be.

A song that makes me feel something emotionally, is always going to win out in my book.

Even the most finely crafted and intricate song, with all of the most sophisticated chord changes, can still never compete with a song that has heart.

So I should hope that Lindsey's songs would have more depth musically... after all, he IS a playing musician.
But for me, where it counts, Stevie is the one who comes out ahead. If you're going to force me to choose between the two.

And who knows exactly why the Smithsonian picked "Go Your Own Way" over any number of other Mac songs, but I thought we agreed a while back that critical approval only means so much, given that it's just another opinion, much like our own.
"GYOW" isn't even the best example of all that Lindsey has to offer.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Well, you know, Johnny, I too became a fan because of Stevie. Then my taste evolved.

Talk about snooty.

I feel that my tastes have evolved too... which is why I'm more keenly aware now of what it is that makes Stevie's music so amazing, than I ever was.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by Lux
I (quite obviously) go for Lindsey's music, but if I was to 'feel' something (other than strangely sexual) during a song, it would more likely be during a Lindsey song. Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind is an example of one that has emotional potential with me.

Oh, I can't even begin to describe how much I adore "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind"!

That's one of those songs that just envelopes you with its beauty.

Most assuredly it's one of Lindsey's finest moments.

[teedee]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
[B]You answered your own question, which makes me wonder why you asked it:

[b]

[b]

It just isn't. Lindsey's music is far superior in SYW. Generally it has been better, but this time the quality between the two writers was galaxies apart. Stevie submitted two killer songs and a bunch of ho-hum cuts. Lindsey submitted positively wonderful music, with exception of Come.



As much as I'd like to answer that, I just can't follow it. Perhaps you'd like to rephrase?

as far as answering my own question. a certain someone was stating these songs were rejects from previous fm songs. so if that is true then i m stating why would fm ask to see them again,,,, as a certain someone stated, but i am in no way stating they were rejects, i was just replying to a previous post, maybe if you quoted the whole post that posed me to post my answer in the nature that i did , you would understand why i said it like that. dont confuse your self. as for lindseys material being far more superior than stevies on this cd or in general , that is your opinion, and your entitled to it , just as everyone else is. the thing here is you want to convince those who dont feel the same as you, and people cant be convinced of something they dont believe. this is like beating a dead horse, just accept the fact that all people will not agree with you .... im not trying to convince you of anything , just trying to let you know what im basing things on and what i like but if you want to cast a negative one way , thats the way it is cause you said so additude, it wont help.