Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired

[amber]

Originally Posted by Lux

This is was infuriates me though. What you've said here is fine, agree to disagree and we live our own lives in different manners. The difference is when a group are enforcing restrictions upon others based on their beliefs. This is when I don't think it's enough to agree to disagree. The government has no place in a woman's uterus. Someone else's morals should not be used to subject a group of people to a restricted and deprived existence.

exactly. I think that's most people's point. Like, do whatever the hell you want, just don't tell me what i hafta do! And don't vote for gov't that wants to tell me what i should do! Seriously, it's in our Constitution...

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Lux

This is was infuriates me though. What you've said here is fine, agree to disagree and we live our own lives in different manners. The difference is when a group are enforcing restrictions upon others based on their beliefs. This is when I don't think it's enough to agree to disagree. The government has no place in a woman's uterus. Someone else's morals should not be used to subject a group of people to a restricted and deprived existence.

Lux, believe me, I and others have said this, quite STRONGLY. I can tell you this much: I dont just *talk* about this, I take action. I contact my elected representatives and let them know just how I feel. I write to my local paper and express my point of view. I have joined with the CA chapter of NOW to make sure my voice IS heard. And, we've managed to stop them each time they've tried to whittle our rights further. But, the truth of the matter is: unless today's young women SEE the danger they face, the freedoms I have had will go the way of the dinosaur. We've passed the torch, now its up to you younger folks. I pray its not too late.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Lux

Hmmm, don't look at me. Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure. The only feminists I've known have steered me towards misogyny and the majority of the females I've known have lead me to confusion and an appreciate for the presence of males. I still believe those things you mentioned but I couldn't fulfil the role like the many fiesty females I know, or did know until I ran away screaming. I guess that's the point of submission.

if its not for you, its not for you. thats ok. I myself continue to fight the good fight any way I can. Hopefully there are enough young women that see the handwriting on the wall and have the balls to say GET YOUR LAWS OFF MY BODY. Subservience for women is a patriarchal notion borrowed from a Middle Eastern culture that hasnt evolved in hundreds of years. Any return to that way of thinking is a step BACKWARDS.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Please. So you think as a result of these intense conversations with God, we'll all be called to the same views as you?

There are thousands of religions in this world and you cannot say who is wrong or right. There is no such thing as a shared reality.

There are, and they are all "right". People see God only as they can understand Him. There are other divine books in this world besides the Bible, the Koran for one. In it are the "saints" that Muslims believe in. These books were written to help shape a civil society. None of them are perfect. The Bible is not a perfect book for it is man's interpretation of God. Therefore, being that man is imperfect, the Bible itself is flawed.

I was very confused about religion for many years. Then I began learning about Eastern religions which was fascinating. I asked myself which religion was right? All of them seem to believe theirs to be the right one. Then I felt what I thought was a divine thought, that they are all correct. Again, we see God only as we can understand Him.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

in my life, One serious guarantee...If I ever lost the ability to enjoy music I will prepare to take a dirtnap by my own hands.

Ya can take my sight, my speech, my ability to walk or write...But take my ability to hear and go ahead and pass me the cyanide tablets cause it will be checkout time from the hotel known as life

Sex for music is a no brainer...Music wins over all!!!!Music is the one constant in my life, has been for over 34 years now...Will be til the day I die

Same here. Music has been my lifeline. However, sex and music together? Now we're talking!

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

I’m just curious here. How many of you have taken time to read the bible?

I know I asked this before and challenged you to try a PC bible study program, but my question got buried in comments that looked like they we’re designed to escape the answer. JMO

Well, I read all of the passages about homosexuality that Brown Eyes recommended last night. The only one that was conclusive was Lecivitus in the "abomination" line already stated in this thread. All other passages were very vague. The commonality of all of these passages was that all sex, except between man and wife, is a sin. It doesn't make homosexuality a worse sin than "fornication". Therefore, you're a dirty sinner just like any of the gay people on this board, and so am I.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

I would rather have more music to listen than sex, Sad but amazingly true!!!!!

I have to say that at this point in my life I feel the same way.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

but I can't abandon my beliefs...its part of who I am.

And that is just it.

Christians can't abandon their beliefs and homosexuals cannot abandon their orientation. Both examples are "part of" each individual. Homosexuals cannot change their orientation anymore than heterosexuals can- anyone who believes that is deluded.

And so, the impasse. However, I will point out that homosexuality is a part of the human condition and has been around since the dawn of humanity- far, far longer than the concept of christianity.

I'm betting my money on the fags to win....

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Lux

This is was infuriates me though. What you've said here is fine, agree to disagree and we live our own lives in different manners. The difference is when a group are enforcing restrictions upon others based on their beliefs. This is when I don't think it's enough to agree to disagree. The government has no place in a woman's uterus. Someone else's morals should not be used to subject a group of people to a restricted and deprived existence.

and a person also has no RIGHT to take away a life. A growing person inside of you that has no voice and no choice!

But im really tired of discussing these topics. We all agree to disagree and I think we should really leave it at that for our own sanity.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

Amen and hallelujah.
you know what else goads me? The way some repubs are against abortion, but against welfare, too. Hello? Hello? anyone home in there?

Well when people continually abuse welfare and social services because they "can't work" or "can't find a job" that BUGS me! There are people who need it...but there are also people who USE it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

No, it's not. to me, the worse crime is raising a child poorly. And by poorly, I mean a child who is neglected, may do heinous crimes later, may have a terrible life. Organisms live and die, daily, of all species. It's part of the life cycle.
And, what's the problem, if you think these clumps of cells have souls, wouldn't those souls just go to god anyway?
do you support the death penalty?

Have we ever heard of adoption!

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Have we ever heard of adoption!

I have a buddy in Florida that adopted 9 children. I know a family here in Maryland that adopted 12. I know another family here that has adopted 2 and plans to adopt more.

I had to edit to add this. The 3 families that have adopted or are adopting are Christian families.

[heyjupiter678]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

and a person also has no RIGHT to take away a life.

So, you're against the death penalty, then?

[heyjupiter678]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

I have a buddy in Florida that adopted 9 children. I know a family here in Maryland that adopted 12. I know another family here that has adopted 2 and plans to adopt more.

Good for them. That's really admirable.

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

I had to edit to add this. The 3 families that have adopted or are adopting are Christian families.

And?

If my boyfriend and I ever have children, it will be through adoption -- and we're atheists.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Originally Posted by heyjupiter678

If my boyfriend and I ever have children, it will be through adoption -- and we're atheists.

Good for you. What will you do if the children want to learn about God?