Will LB redeem himself on Leno

[wondergirl9847]

I screw up the lyrics to GYOW (and other songs) ALL the time and I've sung them CRAPLOADS of times too!! LOL I think the song most screwed up on by myself AND Stevie is Rhiannon. LOL Sooooo many ways to sing that one. HAHA! Also, GDW with repeating that "Heartless challenge" instead of singing "Lousy lovers, pick their prey..". LOL So, it's "Heartless challenge, pick their prey..." WHAT?? LOL Too funny!!

I love that he screwed up GYOW anyways. Gave us something to gab about besides the AWESOME album!! HEE!! Who's talking about the GREAT rendition of SYW? Nobody...we are all talking about the cruddy GYOW!! LMAO!!!!

[Janet]

Ok I just have to say something.

That was probably the biggest live crowd Lindsey has played to since Feb of 1998. He was probably nervous as hell.

I don't think cold had anything to do with it. It wasn't like really much under 30, it was just windy that's all.

I think he was nervous and goofed. Remember when Stevie forgot how to sing Dreams? We didn't see that. It's a shame he didn't get to redo the song, second time he would have been great.

Lindsey still can sing and I don't think 100000 million people turned away from FM because of one performance...I don't think ONE person did..and if they did, their loss.

Linds still has it and so does Stevie. Again, give them a BREAK!

[jwys_soapbox]

Has anyone made some decent sounding mp3s of the songs yet? If not, I'll try to do it tomorrow night. I need to clear the video tape for the Leno shows.

If someone has, please lemme know

John

[estranged4life]

from what I have read (I missed that Today show appearance, Actually I forgot about it!!!) and it seems that Lindsey had a bad start on singing GYOW and now everyone seems to be ripping FM...Geez people sure are funny when someone has a bad day...LOL!!!! Brian J.

[wondergirl9847]

Go to Neil's site:

http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/

to get the mp3's for the Today Show songs.

[stefan]

Being a big fan is the one thing. Being (or trying to be) objective in evaluating music from a band is the other thing. I wouldn't praise an album just because it's from my favourite band. But to me the new album is great. There are certain songs I like more than others but I`m really very happy about the result.
And now about the live performances. Even though I'm a huge huge Lindsey fan I must say that I was a little shocked, when I saw the video. I didn't expect something like this. It wasn`t just the first few notes or seconds not sounding good. GYOW was a desaster imo. He didn't even try to sing the high notes on the chorus- but that was an intentional change. It must have had its reason, I suppose there must have been problems doing this one in former rehearsals. But even the safer version they tried to do this way was not working. Cold or not cold- Stevies voice was working too on this day, so that could not be the only excuse. I think she was doing well. And sorry- I really doubt that it sounded live in NY great and just on the TV something was wrong. I am sure you all were thrilled by being there and seing the band live. So would I have been. This must have been a great experience. But the sound of Lindseys singing on this day was a disappointment on every song although GYOW was surely the worst one. I thought it was embarassing. And I also must say that Here comes the sun live back then was very hard to bear also.
If a song doesn`t work live then leave it. Here comes the sun was too much for Lindseys voice. The last part ("sun sun sun- here we come" made him struggle to hit the high notes and he didn't succeed) He must have been aware of that when rehearsing the song. So then he shouldn`t perform it or otherwise should prepare his voice as long as needed to get it done. Dito for GYOW. I read in interviews that they had a vocal coach before the Dance which is a very professional way of preparing for such a demanding tour. Do they have one too now? Anyone heard anything about the preparation for the upcoming tour?
They have the skills (and I`m sure they still have them) but it`s a matter of preparation and training. And if it really doesn`t work no more on a certain song, why not do a different one?
I don`t believe it's a matter of age. The voices may change but that doesn't need to mean that they get worse. For some songs that`s good and for some songs it's not. The skills are still there and the sound on the little live studio clips and the album is pretty good, isn`t it? I believe they can do much better than on Today. And I also believe they will on the upcoming tour. At least I hope so for those of you who get there. But they shouldn`t walk out and perform in such a condition imo. I am very much looking forward on the next TV appearances under studio conditions and hope they make up for the last one. Didn't seem to be like they were well prepared at this point .

[jmn3]

You people are being a bit rediculous. I would like to see anyone stand up in 30 degree weather and start screaming into a microphone. Please tell me what you sound like after a minute. GYOW was a bit sloppy and out of tune for what, like a minute? The solo was great. If you want to hear the perfect album version of a song, don't see a band live. It's never going to be the same. I can't understand what people want from a band? If they played with a million backup musicians and made their live performances sound like the studio, then everyone would be bitching about that.

Also, everyone who has been ragging on this performance seems to be really going after Lindsey. Give the guy a freaking break. He hasn't performed in front of that type of crowd in what, 5+ years, it was 8:30 in the morning (5:30 LA TIME!!!!!!) and 30 degrees with wind. Also, it's not as if his playing suffered throughout the entire show. And for that matter, how great did Stevie sound during Rhiannon? She doesn't even attempt to hit anything high except that "Welllllllll, I don't think you do" part.

These guys are in their 50's, not their 20's...personally I enjoyed the show. I look at it this way, so GYOW had some character in it ....who cares? It's still the rocker it always has been and the audience sure didn't seem to mind the Peacekeeper/GYOW flub. It's not the first time GYOW has had some problems in it's live performances...check out the live album, or Memphis '82...**** happens. IMO, the show was great!!

[jmn3]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
You're forgetting the "Open up, when you won't take it from me" That one had even me balking Good for a laugh for a fan like me, but good for their sales and image??

Yeah, but come on...how many people who just "know the song" really even know all of the words. For all a casual fan knows, that could be the real words. Most people wouldn't even notice. I doubt one word mixup coupled with a wrong chord is going to kill sales and image. If that were the case, Fleetwood Mac would have been gone long ago.

[stefan]

I don't care for mixed up verses, that can happen.
And I too don`t like bands doing their live songs 1:1 as the album versions or with semi playback or fullplayback. But his voice was pretty bad on this (entire) performance, whether we are big fans and look for reasons and excuses or not. But however- I think they will make up for this one next time.

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by dissention
I like what I'm hearing! Maybe she could set up stripper poles on each side of the stage and then right in the center a big ole' mud wrestling pit! The winner wins an autographed chiffon thong!

Now that I would pay to see! Sharon and Mindy each on their own pole, with Stevie and Lindsey duking it out in the middle. Priceless!

[Alison]

Well I for one had to play in very cold weather. I had to do a out door Christmas thing one year. It was about the same temp as the Mac played in. I tell you it was hard to play guitar in that tempurature. My fingers were freezing and going numb, my guitar had trouble holding it's tuning. With the wind blowing it made the sound hard to Q in properly. It was hard to hear my self sing.
Give the band a break, stuff happens,it was just an off day.

[CarneVaca]

I was trying to avoid this thread. The premise that Lindsey needs to redeem himself is just goofy.

There's no doubt that the cold affected his playing. I could tell right off that he was struggling. Guitars are extremely sensitive to weather.

Second, his voice was strained when he started singing. I often get the sense he is straining too much when playing live, but in this case it was almost painful. He screwed up a verse. But the song got better toward the end. And the band got better with each song.

Performing is tough. When I get in front of a crowd, my biggest worry is, What's my voice going to do tonight? If I hit the right key and pitch with the first note, that tends to set the tone. If I struggle, it will take a couple of songs to get it right. One thing I've learned is the importance of the first song. So I tend to pick something with which I am extremely comfortable. Of course that changes. Something that's very comfortable today may be replaced by something else in a couple of weeks or months.

Go Your Own Way is not a number the band is used to doing first. It requires a certain amount of energy and mindset that happens later in a typical show.

If you think this was bad, go back to the performance of Don't Stop at the Clinton inaugural. That was pretty bad, and I didn't see the band retire in shame after that.

I'm sure they will do great on Leno.

[Miranda]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I was trying to avoid this thread. The premise that Lindsey needs to redeem himself is just goofy.

There's no doubt that the cold affected his playing. I could tell right off that he was struggling. Guitars are extremely sensitive to weather.

Second, his voice was strained when he started singing. I often get the sense he is straining too much when playing live, but in this case it was almost painful. He screwed up a verse. But the song got better toward the end. And the band got better with each song.

Performing is tough. When I get in front of a crowd, my biggest worry is, What's my voice going to do tonight? If I hit the right key and pitch with the first note, that tends to set the tone. If I struggle, it will take a couple of songs to get it right. One thing I've learned is the importance of the first song. So I tend to pick something with which I am extremely comfortable. Of course that changes. Something that's very comfortable today may be replaced by something else in a couple of weeks or months.

Go Your Own Way is not a number the band is used to doing first. It requires a certain amount of energy and mindset that happens later in a typical show.

If you think this was bad, go back to the performance of Don't Stop at the Clinton inaugural. That was pretty bad, and I didn't see the band retire in shame after that.

I'm sure they will do great on Leno.

I was avoiding this thread too. I didn't want to get flamed! LOL! Seriously, I have to disagree. Let's get real. The impact of that Today show performance will be felt. It's a definite negative for the non-hardcore fans. This is how I heard it playing out with friends and co-workers who liked the band in the past, but who are not rabid followers of the "drama". They are of the opinion...

"Oh, are they still around?"
"Is this old or new stuff on their cd?"
"Where's the other chick?"
"Are these all the original people,
or is this another regrouped oldies act?"
"Stevie sounds ok, but she sure has slowed down."
"Wow, that dude can't sing anymore...bummer."
"What happened? That dude used to be a hot guitar player."
"They waited too long to cash in on the FM name one last time."
"They've lost it. No chemistry, no flame, no sparks."
"Oldies act...over the hill."
"I can't believe how bad they sucked."

Sorry about that last one, but these are quotes from average fans who saw the Today show. Friends and co-workers of mine made these comments. They're mostly 40 somethings who know the band and wanted to like what they saw, but did not. At the same time, they're not big time fans who give a crap about excuses like the weather, temp., time of day, etc. The band knew what they were doing going on a morning show back East in early April. They can't expect the average fan to show patience or empathy with a bad performance. That one show will be the only mark a lot of people use to judge them. That doesn't bode well. Middle aged housewives make up a big part of the core fan base. They saw Today and now dismiss FM as an oldies act not worth taking in for the tour...not at the prices they're charging. I hate to say it, but the band, especially LB, has to give a kick ass performance on Leno or some other free public forum before the tour. They need to create a huge buzz about their freshness or energy, or something to overcome the drab, flawed display on the Today show. Otherwise, they need to put out an explosive video to catch a wave. Short of that kind of turn around FM is being seen as another washed up oldies act trying to cash in one last time before retirement.

There, I said it. Sorry, but I'm afraid it's the truth. I hope not, but that's the way I'm hearing it from everyone else.

[Wayne2]

Originally posted by seteca
If people are going to decide not to buy their album or go to their concert simply (and ridiculously!!!) by judging one member of a 36 year old OFFICIAL SUPER-BAND for the opening guitar note and first verse of a 4 song set performed under very difficult conditions, then I am GLAD: I wouldn't want them to own the album or see them in concert in the first place - they don't deserve it if they're going to be such judgemental stuck-up idiots. I would like to see such people's album collection anyway...what would be in it? No doubt I would find "80 minutes of perfect As to Gs in 35 different octaves".

The album IS absolutely AWESOME, all four members of the band are STILL absolutely AWESOME, and this tour will be AWESOME!!!!! And you know what...that's not "just my humble opinion"...that's a FACT!!!! SUE ME if you think otherwise!

wow...i cant believe people are letting comments directed at Fleetwood Mac's performance upset them.

Very few people have said "they should give it up". They just noticed that there were a few flaws in the performance.

I dont think it's any reason to throw hissy fits (not directed at you seteca, just saying in general...).

You can throw all the excuses you want "it was cold, it was early, yada yada", the fact remains...he sounded terrible at times.

[sulamith]

Miranda, Wayne2, and of course you Carne (hee hee) make very good points, and I am gettingon the flame wagon with you.

I watched the Today Show with my husband who is a big fan of alternative rock. His taste in music has moved steadily forward for twenty years. He never listens to the stuff he liked in high school anymore.

Anyway, the point is, I had to endure much ribbing and eye-rolling from him about Lindsey's guitar playing, and yes, he did base it on just the opening part. FM lost him pretty quick, and he was more than ready to tell me that there are way better guitar players around.

I know it isn't true, and it is sad, but that is they way alot of folks are going to view it. Toady is a national show seen by lots of people.

Do I think it is going to disastrous for them? Probably not, but they didn't win anybody over, either.

I hope they give bitchin' performances on their next appearances because I do think there is a little damage control that needs to be done!

OK, don't send me to hell in gasoline drawers over this!
-Sharon