All the Street Angel bashing - Page 3

GypsyGirl15 · #31 12-31-2008, 12:31 PM

Docklands is one of my favorite Stevie songs. There is a particular live version that I really love.

SpyNote · #32 12-31-2008, 02:14 PM

Not really into Docklands or any of the other goofy songs that play next the ones Stevie wrote, which are a lot better than what her management served up. Production-issues aside, all Stevie really needed to do was delay the album another two years and just re-record the vocals and it would have been fine.

vermicious knid · #33 12-31-2008, 02:35 PM

Has anybody heard the original version of "Docklands" by Betsy Cook? I personally think its a wretched song, but I am so curious to hear the original.

iamnotafraid · #34 01-01-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remy

ok, I know Ledgies are humorous people, so tell me - how much of it is true?

Remy, that's not all there's much more to the Stevie "monkey" story than I posted on page two of this thread (for those who haven't read it please see my post about Stevie meeting Jane Goodall at her research center on page two of this thread).

As for the rest of the story, or at least the way it was reported at the time:

After the incident with Stevie and the monkey, Stevie was asked to come
into the research center's main office to meet with Mr. Pless (director of
the Jane Goodall research center). This is the converstaion that took place:

Mr. PLESS: "Ah, Ms. Nicks?"

STEVIE: "Yes."

Mr. PLESS: "Thanks for coming."

STEVIE: "So, uh, what did you want to see me about?"

Mr. PLESS: "Well, Ms. Nicks, to get right to the point, we're having a
bit of trouble with Barry."

STEVIE: "Barry?"

Mr. PLESS: "The chimpanzee."

STEVIE: "Oh. Well, what's the problem?"

Mr. PLESS: "Well, he's not functioning the way he normally does. He
seems depressed. He's lost his appeitite. He's even curtailed his autoerotic
activities. And we think this is directly related to the altercation he had with
you this morning."

STEVIE: "So what do you want me to do?"

Mr. PRESS: "Well, frankly we'd like you to apologize."

STEVIE: "Yeah, well he started it."

Mr. PRESS: "Ms. Nicks, he is an innocent primate."

STEVIE: "So am I. What about my feelings? Don't my feelings count for
anything? Oh, only the poor monkey's important. Everthing has to be done
for the monkey!"

Remy · #35 01-02-2009, 05:57 AM

lovely storytelling, iamnotafraid.

petep9000 · #36 01-02-2009, 10:01 AM

I like about half of the SA tracks. In no particular order:

Blue Denim
Kick It
Greta
Jane
MLWCYM

I like 'Inspiration' too, which of course was not part of the album but the flip side to MLWCYM. I spoke about the song about two weeks ago, and posted it the other day. I was in a mushy, sentimental mood and it was sort of therapeutic to talk it out...

http://planet-john.blogspot.com/2008...day-vol-8.html

wheart · #37 01-02-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGirl15

Docklands is one of my favorite Stevie songs. There is a particular live version that I really love.

I think Docklands is a fairly decent song but again, I think the production and the "ooh ooh ooh" middle part really drag it down. It just sounds so "heavy", part due to production and part due to the vocal. It does have a killer hook, though! This was one of the SA songs that was eventually cut from the set during the '94 tour.

wildheart048 · #38 01-03-2009, 07:41 AM

It's funny how this always comes up...I remember talking about this same topic awhile ago (I think it was on a different board) ... anyway, I do think Street Angel is, in my opinion, Stevie's weakest album, however, having said that, it is still Stevie, and so I still love it...

It does have the most Stevie songs that I really don't like out of all of her albums (actually, the only Stevie songs that I don't at least like : Listen To The Rain & Love Is Like A River...

But it also has some of my very favorite songs : Blue Denim, Street Angel, Rose Garden...and I do love Stevie's version of Just Like A Woman...and Maybe Love is cool...

Greta had to grow on me, but it went from Don't like to really like over the years..

the rest of the songs are ok not among my favorites, but totally listenable...

Jane I'm kind of iffy on...sort of like it, sort of don't...

I love the Japanese edition songs (Inspiration is one of my very favorites... God's Garden is beautiful, if a tad too long...

Having said that, I also feel that this album for some reason brought in alot of younger fans, and so for that reason alone, it deserves major props...

starshine · #39 01-03-2009, 07:48 PM

SA isn't a favorite of mine much either.....I also don't think its Stevie's best work by far. It could've been better...but I also say that about RAL too. Its kinda choppy really. Not crazy about the song selections much either. I think more of Stevie's own songs should've been used for this record but weren't. Maybe Love & UL are ok songs....average (not written by Stevie)....JLAW the Dylan song isn't my favorite either....I do like SA/BD/LILAR/Inspiration-not written by Stevie again/RG.....I love the 'original' Listen To The Rain...with the original lyrics --I think it was done in '91....I don't like the changed lyrics at all....Docklands is ok but it would've been cooler if was called 'Darklands' as some of the old 'demo' tapes had it listed as....sounds more mystical or something....don't like Jane....no chimps for me.....Gods Garden is ok too but I don't like her voice on this track....she almost sounds sleepy and her voice is really deep too.....the tracks music is lack luster and it tends to drag way too much for me.....too long as well. Kick It is ok......I've probably missed something.....but overall I don't listen to it that much. Just like RAL it could've been a better LP/cd...but its not. Mirror is better than RAL & SA to me..but BD & WH are still the best ones....that is IMO though but to each his/her own......its all good.....really.....

pattyfan · #40 01-03-2009, 11:56 PM

IMHP, Stevie is not a great singer of other people's songs. Her songwriting and voice are unique, but whatever magic she has is usually only in her own songs. For me, Bella Donna is far and away her masterpiece, with Wild Heart and Trouble in Shangri-la next in line, if for no other reason than they contain more songs written or co-written by her. Once she started letting other people write songs for her, the overall quality of her discs went way, way down. Take Rock a Little. I love Rock a Little, I Sing for the Things, No Spoken Word, and Has Anyone..., but for the most parts, the other songs, well, how can I put this gently...suck. I just can't listen to Sister Honey, or Some Become Strangers, or The Nightmare.

So, with that said, I think that the songs that Stevie wrote on Street Angel are really good. I like Blue Denim, Destiny, and Rose Garden a lot, and I'll even go out, way out, on a limb, and say that Kick It is one of my all time favorite Stevie songs. The other songs, however, like Docklands, Listen to the Rain, and Maybe Love are pretty unremarkable.

I guess I just feel like Stevie talks a lot about being a songwriter first and foremost, but then puts so many songs written or co-written by other people on her CDs that it's hard to take that seriously. I remember hearing in one interview that she asked Tom Petty to write songs for her for TISL, but that he said no, that that was what she does, and it motivated her to write more songs. It's a great story, but then you look at the credits for That Made Me Stronger, and you see that even there she asked someone else to write the music.

I know that I've gone off on a tangent here. Sorry. I guess my point is that I don't think Street Angel is any better or worse than Rock a Little or The Other Side of the Mirror. They all have too many songs written by other people, but in general, I really like Stevie's songs from those efforts.

Also, it must be hard to be a recording artist. I mean, we all have bad days/weeks/semesters at work, but with most jobs, there's not much that lasts from those bad times for people to see. But when you put out a CD, or any other form of art for that matter, it's around forever. So if it's not something you're happy with, you have to figure out a way to live with that. That would be pretty damn hard, I think.

Man, I really rambled. Sorry.

Kevin

David · #41 01-04-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pattyfan

but for the most parts, the other songs [on Rock a Little], well, how can I put this gently...suck. I just can't listen to Sister Honey, or Some Become Strangers, or The Nightmare.

But the first & the third ARE her songs.

The co-credits on those are essentially for the chord progressions.

pattyfan · #42 01-04-2009, 01:38 PM

I knew that I Can't Wait and Sister Honey were co-written by Stevie, but I didn't know that it was the chord progressions that the other writers provided. That, BTW, seems like a lot. The chords to a song are basically the music of a song. Unless you're singing a capella, there's no way to have a melody without chords. But you are right. I should have been clearer in my post. In general, the songs that she writes all by her lonesome are the ones that I like, with a few exceptions. They are the ones that, to me, sound most like Stevie.

iamnotafraid · #43 05-11-2009, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Did you read the liner notes about Stevie meeting Jane Goodall?

Stevie traveled to meet Jane Goodall at one of her research centers.
And she really was inspired to write the song after this happened:

STEVIE: "I stopped to look at the monkeys, when all of the sudden I
am hit in the face with a banana peel. I turn and look and there is this
monkey really laughing it up. Then Jane tells me that he (the monkey)
did it. Well, I pick up the banana peel and I wait for that monkey to
turn around. And then I *whap* let him have it."

JANE: "It's a monkey, Stevie!"

STEVIE: "Well, he pushed my buttons, I coudn't help it, Jane".

JANE: "Well, I still think it was wrong to do that Stevie".

STEVIE: "Alright fine, you take the monkey's side".

This thread was bumped for "mylittledemon" and "enchanted Stevi".
For information about Barry.

**mylittledemon** · #44 05-11-2009, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

This thread was bumped for "mylittledemon" and "enchanted Stevi".
For information about Barry.

HAHA! Barry the monkey from Seinfeld!

iamnotafraid · #45 05-11-2009, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Remy, that's not all there's much more to the Stevie "monkey" story than I posted on page two of this thread (for those who haven't read it please see my post about Stevie meeting Jane Goodall at her research center on page two of this thread).

As for the rest of the story, or at least the way it was reported at the time:

After the incident with Stevie and the monkey, Stevie was asked to come
into the research center's main office to meet with Mr. Pless (director of
the Jane Goodall research center). This is the converstaion that took place:

Mr. PLESS: "Ah, Ms. Nicks?"

STEVIE: "Yes."

Mr. PLESS: "Thanks for coming."

STEVIE: "So, uh, what did you want to see me about?"

Mr. PLESS: "Well, Ms. Nicks, to get right to the point, we're having a
bit of trouble with Barry."

STEVIE: "Barry?"

Mr. PLESS: "The chimpanzee."

STEVIE: "Oh. Well, what's the problem?"

Mr. PLESS: "Well, he's not functioning the way he normally does. He
seems depressed. He's lost his appeitite. He's even curtailed his autoerotic
activities. And we think this is directly related to the altercation he had with
you this morning."

STEVIE: "So what do you want me to do?"

Mr. PRESS: "Well, frankly we'd like you to apologize."

STEVIE: "Yeah, well he started it."

Mr. PRESS: "Ms. Nicks, he is an innocent primate."

STEVIE: "So am I. What about my feelings? Don't my feelings count for
anything? Oh, only the poor monkey's important. Everthing has to be done
for the monkey!"

Again this thread was bumped for "mylittledemon" and "enchanted Stevi''
For information about this Barry character.

This very same "Barry" seems to be running the new Official Fleetwood Mac
Website.