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Old 10-28-2005, 03:04 PM
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He hasn't been on vacation since the end of August, and he had to end that one early, remember?

Poor baby. Being preznit really is hard work. It's HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!
And some news pundit or another (hard to keep them track as I'm furiously flipping channels) noticed Harriet Miers was getting on to Marine1 just ahead of Shrub and said: "A vacation at Camp David this weekend must be some kind of payback/reward for the tough week she's had."

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Old 10-28-2005, 03:10 PM
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And some news pundit or another (hard to keep them track as I'm furiously flipping channels) noticed Harriet Miers was getting on to Marine1 just ahead of Shrub and said: "A vacation at Camp David this weekend must be some kind of payback/reward for the tough week she's had."

A weekend with the Bushes is a reward????
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:11 PM
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A weekend with the Bushes is a reward????
She must be a masochist.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:11 PM
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I can't believe you missed it. A reporter shouted "Are you embarrassed, Mr. President?" and the monkey just glared at him, then turned around and ran.
I seriously thought you were joking about the vacation. I'm sorry I missed that. I'm in the office though, working.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:13 PM
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Please let the dam burst on the criminal scandal that Chimpco misled a nation (well at least a good part of a nation) into this dirty little war.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:14 PM
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I'm pretty close to doing a jig. Too bad I don't have a webcam to share with everyone.
Go read the actual indictment. I think Rove is "Official A."
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:15 PM
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Fitzgerald recounting Libby's testimony...Libby discussed information about Valerie Wilson/Plame a half a dozen times before conversation with Tim Russert.

At least four people within the govt told Libby about Wilson/Plame...in addition to hearing it, at least three times Libby discussed the information with govt, according to indictment...

Fitzgerald says Libby discussed the matter with Ari Fleischer on July 7 2003 (a Monday). He claimed to have first learned about it the following Thursday.

...He lied under oath and repeatedly.

It does show the world that this is a country that takes its laws seriously. Everyone bound by the law. Follow this process with American values and our dignity.

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Questions:

Q: This began as a leak investigation, but no one is charged with leaking. Is investigation finished?

A: It's not over, but I'll tell you this...substantial bulk is completed...[but] ordinary to keep grand jury open to consider other matters, and that's what we'll do...

Fitz makes a baseball analogy to explain probe and unresolved questions. Obstruction of justice is like sand getting thrown in umpire's eyes. Prevents us from making judgements we need to make. This is a very serious matter. The need to get to the bottom of what happened...is extremely important. We need to get to the truth...if what we allege in indictment is true, then what we have charged is a very serious crime.

Q: Any evidence that VP of U.S. encouraged him to leak it or encouraged him to lie?

A: I'm not making allegations about anyone not charged indictment. We make no allegation that VP engaged in any criminal act or any other people who discussed info with Libby...

Q: from Michael Isikoff...For all the sand thrown in our eyes, it seems you known the identity of the leaker. Why not revealed?

A: I can't. The law is the law...we cannot discuss information not contained in indictment. ...if you ask me any name, I'm not going to comment...I can tell you no one wants this over as quickly as I do...

Q: You said that damage was done to all of us. What?

A: For the people who work at the CIA, they have to expect that classified info will be protected...they have to expect something won't be done to put them at risk by their own fellow employees...

Q: Re. Judy Miller. How important was her testimony?

A: No one wanted a dispute with the NY Times or anybody else. I was not looking for a First Amendment showdown...when we issued subpoenas, we thought long and hard before we did that...we scrubbed it thoroughly...

Q: You said Libby was first to leak Wilson/Plame info...are there definitely other leakers? Facilitators?

A: I can't go beyond the four corners of the indictment...

Q: Did Libby know whether Valerie Wilson's identity was covert?

A: ...We have not made any allegation that Libby knowingly/intentionally outed a covert agent.

Q: Your critics are charging you are a partisan--

A: What party?

[Laughter]

One day I read I was a Republican hack. The next, I read I was a Democratic hack. I am not registered with either party, and I'll leave it there.

...Our jobs in the criminal justice system are to make sure people tell the truth.

Q: Why are you confident that this is the right thing to do given that you are relying on people's memories of things that occurred long ago?

A: Can't go into trial evidence, but...he is presumed innocent and let's let the trial proceed...

Q: Last-minute activity...FBI interviews...flurry of activity...were you just buttoning up the case? What are we supposed to read into that.

A: There was a flurry of attention...we wanted to get as much done...wouldn't read anything into it...

300pm EDT

Q: Terry Moran...There are some who see this is vindication of their views on the war. Is it?

A: This indictment is not about the war. Not about the propriety of the war. This is stripped of that debate and focused on a narrow transaction...they will be frustrated and not good for process and fairness of trial.


Q: Did Bob Novak cooperate with the investigation?

A: Can't comment.

310pm EDT

Q: Do you anticipate needing to empanel a new grand jury in order to wrap up?

A: Can't comment. What I'm trying to convey: We're not quite done, but I don't want to add to a feverish pitch...

Q: Any possibility that anyone else will be charged?

A: Not going to comment...[laughter]...You're getting cold not hot.

Q: What harm was there [to Valerie Wilson]?

A: On specifics, I won't touch that with a ten-foot-pole...but at a time we need spy agencies, it compromises ability of government to recruit...that's damage...but I'm not going to go beyond that...

We will not be arresting Mr. Libby...we'll arrange for him to appear before assigned judge...whatever he tells us to do, we will do...

Q: Are you for or against a federal shield law?

A: I don't think I should opine on that in my capacity...this was a situation where conversations between officials and reporters may have been a crime itself [transmitting classified info]...what people don't appreciate is that we interviewed many officials before we went to reporters...

...There was no political interference in this case...

322pm EDT. End.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:43 PM
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It does show the world that this is a country that takes its laws seriously.
Not quite yet it doesn't. But it very well may.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:51 PM
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Rove is MY real wish target. Libby is a throwaway, but ROVE would be a true prize. Pleez let him be next. Monkey boy cant function w/o his organ grinder.
and he BETTER be wary about his Supreme Court pick too...........because we're looking at fillibuster and maybe even the nuclear option....which I dont think will fly anymore thanks to the gang of 14 (or however many it is.......)
Hee. Bush got heckled at his speech this morning. Some guy in a Dump Bush t-shirt started shouting about Rove and got hustled out of the room. I'm hoping the video is up on Crooks And Liars.

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Old 10-28-2005, 04:52 PM
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Hee. Bush got heckled at his speech this morning. Some guy in a Dump Bush t-shirt started shouting about Rove and got hustled out of the room. I'm hoping the bvideo is up on Crooks And Liars.
The moonbats strike again! Don't they realize they make all liberals look like fools!
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:54 PM
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Libby is anything but a throwaway.
Yup. He's the first White House official to be indicted while in office since the administration of Ulysses S. Grant.

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Old 10-28-2005, 05:02 PM
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http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzge..._can_1028.html
Fitzgerald expands probe, believes he can get Rove on more serious charges, lawyers say

In one of the boldest moves yet in the 22-month investigation into the outing of a covert CIA agent to a handful of top reporters covering the White House, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is extending his probe and pursuing much more serious charges against senior White House officials, specifically President Bush’s Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, lawyers directly involved in the case told RAW STORY Friday.

While many people were left confused by news reports that said Rove wouldn't be indicted Friday, the lawyers said that Rove remains under intense scrutiny and added that Fitzgerald is betting on the fact that he can secure an indictment against Rove on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice, the misuse of classified information, and possibly other charges, as early as next week.

“This investigation is not yet over,” one of the lawyers in the case said. “You must keep in mind that people like Mr. Rove are still under investigation. Rather than securing an indictment on perjury charges against Mr. Rove Mr. Fitzgerald strongly believes he can convince the grand jury that he broke other laws.”

The lawyers said that in the past month Fitzgerald has obtained explosive information in the case that has enabled him to pursue broader charges such as conspiracy, and civil rights violations against targets like Rove. Specifically, the lawyers said Fitzgerald is focusing on phony intelligence documents that led to the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity: the documents that claimed Iraq was attempting to purchase yellow-cake uranium from Niger.
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Old 10-28-2005, 05:08 PM
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I can't believe you missed it. A reporter shouted "Are you embarrassed, Mr. President?" and the monkey just glared at him, then turned around and ran.
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Old 10-28-2005, 05:16 PM
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Here's the transcript of what could possibly be the shortest press conference any president has ever given. It was a hoot to watch.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051028/dcf052.html?.v=10

THE PRESIDENT: Today I accepted the resignation of Scooter Libby. Scooter has worked tirelessly on behalf of the American people and sacrificed much in the service to this country. He served the Vice President and me through extraordinary times in our nation's history.

Special Counsel Fitzgerald's investigation and ongoing legal proceedings are serious, and now the proceedings -- the process moves into a new phase. In our system, each individual is presumed innocent and entitled to due process and a fair trial.

While we're all saddened by today's news, we remain wholly focused on the many issues and opportunities facing this country. I got a job to do, and so do the people who work in the White House. We got a job to protect the American people, and that's what we'll continue working hard to do.

I look forward to working with Congress on policies to keep this economy moving. And pretty soon I'll be naming somebody to the Supreme Court.

Thank you all very much.
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Old 10-28-2005, 05:25 PM
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The moonbats strike again! Don't they realize they make all liberals look like fools!
Yes, truly, it is the liberals who look like fools today.
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