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irishgrl · #31 07-27-2005, 08:24 PM

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The Dems are as guilty as the Republicans are for Iraq because THEY ENABLED THEM.

Forget Bill Clinton, his Iraq policies were ten times better and 180 degrees different than Bush's. What people are getting at is that the Democrats are spineless cowards who did next to nothing when it came to preventing Iraq and then after we invaded, they praised it to the heavens for the most part. Wasn't it Kerry that said four months before Election Day that knowing what he now knows, he still would have authorized the war? Didn't Hillary Clinton call for more troops in Iraq last week? What a bunch of numbnuts.

Well, Id hardly call it enabling when you're outnumbered?

Even if the Dems DID vote for it, apparently they were fooled by the White House Spin machine anyway.......I think this is the first time in our Nation's history that we've actually been fed outright LIES. MANIPULATED by PROPANDA to rival the old USSR!

strandinthewind · #32 07-27-2005, 08:25 PM

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. . . As for his missle strike, I dont for one minute believe it was to divert anyones attention . . . .

There's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale as well

dissention · #33 07-27-2005, 08:26 PM

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YOU ARE PULLING A JOHN KERRY!

Ouch, that's below the belt.

I'm crossing my fingers that a kick-ass candidate runs against Kerry in the next election, I want that ****er out.

strandinthewind · #34 07-27-2005, 08:28 PM

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Well, Id hardly call it enabling when you're outnumbered?

Even if the Dems DID vote for it, apparently they were fooled by the White House Spin machine anyway.......I think this is the first time in our Nation's history that we've actually been fed outright LIES. MANIPULATED by PROPANDA to rival the old USSR!

Then why are the leaders of that party still doing it

I guess they are still being manipulated by essentially the same evidence Clinton and they used to bomb Iraq and support the Oil for Food program, which though they killed probably millions, are just radically different than W invading Iraq on the same pretense

irishgrl · #35 07-27-2005, 08:29 PM

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I said the world via the UN though there were WMD. I also said SH had WMD because we gave them to him and he used them. Those are factually correct statements unless you live in fantasyland.

I also still think SH is responsible for his downfall because SH refused to comply with the UN until the very bitter end and by then it was too late to trust him - he made it so easy for W and his cronies. I also think SH hid some of the crap he still had and we will never find it. But, we did not find any and that is that. Nice try though

BTW - Clinton killed probably millions based on the wrong intelligence and he still stands by that - how humiliating for you to support that.

Where did I ever say I supported the killing of innocents? WHERE?
All I said was Clinton acted on faulty info. There's a WORLD of difference between finding out your info was faulty AFTER the fact and going into a situation already knowing the info was faulty as Bush did.....two completely different things and THAT is what I am saying so stop putting words in my mouth!

dissention · #36 07-27-2005, 08:29 PM

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Well, Id hardly call it enabling when you're outnumbered?

But they gave up and did nothing.

I'm sorry, where were the other Ted Kennedy's, screaming about not going into Iraq? They were pushovers and with the exception of a few lovely Dems, they bent over for the current regime.

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Even if the Dems DID vote for it, apparently they were fooled by the White House Spin machine anyway.......

BULL**** ALERT.

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I think this is the first time in our Nation's history that we've actually been fed outright LIES. MANIPULATED by PROPANDA to rival the old USSR!

Gulf of Tonkin, anyone?

strandinthewind · #37 07-27-2005, 08:30 PM

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Ouch, that's below the belt.

I'm crossing my fingers that a kick-ass candidate runs against Kerry in the next election, I want that ****er out.

and its untrue as well. She can spin it all day long. I never said that. I said the world via the UN thought SH had WMD and that we gave SH WMD and he used them in the, I think, late 80's. Thus, I was making a factual statement, but facts are something she cannot stand when they go against that saint known as Clinton.

irishgrl · #38 07-27-2005, 08:31 PM

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Indeed, murder is murder, there's no innocence on Clinton's behalf simply because he has a charm.

nobody said he was innocent. Im only saying he could be forgiven for what he didnt know. PERIOD. Bush on the other hand KNEW.
Again, world of difference.

strandinthewind · #39 07-27-2005, 08:31 PM

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Where did I ever say I supported the killing of innocents? WHERE?
All I said was Clinton acted on faulty info. There's a WORLD of difference between finding out your info was faulty AFTER the fact and going into a situation already knowing the info was faulty as Bush did.....two completely different things and THAT is what I am saying so stop putting words in my mouth!

Again, Clinton used that info to his political advantage by bombing during his impeachment - that it did not work does not belie his intention. But, blibdly support him you will

strandinthewind · #40 07-27-2005, 08:32 PM

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Indeed, murder is murder, there's no innocence on Clinton's behalf simply because he has a charm.

Amen!

By the way, we have been agreeing a lot lately and it is a little scary.

irishgrl · #41 07-27-2005, 08:33 PM

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But they gave up and did nothing.

I'm sorry, where were the other Ted Kennedy's, screaming about not going into Iraq? They were pushovers and with the exception of a few lovely Dems, they bent over for the current regime.

I actually agree with this...Im appalled at what the party has become...

dissention · #42 07-27-2005, 08:33 PM

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I actually agree with this...Im appalled at what the party has become...

Which is why I am no longer a Dirty Democrat.

strandinthewind · #43 07-27-2005, 08:34 PM

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. . . Gulf of Tonkin, anyone?

Contract With America anyone - and ole Billy Boy signed that one too. I get that it was not war, but I am confident many have died under it.

irishgrl · #44 07-27-2005, 08:35 PM

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Then why are the leaders of that party still doing it

I guess they are still being manipulated by essentially the same evidence Clinton and they used to bomb Iraq and support the Oil for Food program, which though they killed probably millions, are just radically different than W invading Iraq on the same pretense

We have NO POWER any more. The takeover is virtually complete. All there is LEFT is lone voices. I dont agree with it but I can certainly see it....

I wish there were a voice of reason that would step up, like John McCain or something...this is just depressing....

strandinthewind · #45 07-27-2005, 08:35 PM

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nobody said he was innocent. Im only saying he could be forgiven for what he didnt know. PERIOD. Bush on the other hand KNEW.
Again, world of difference.

Bush knew the intelligence Clinton used to kill millions of people was false and Clinton himself did not know it though Clinton essentially gave that intelligence to W. That makes no sense. Surely you see that.