Same Sex Marriage Ban is passing.... - Page 3

Johnny Stew · #1 11-03-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I shot up out of my seat and said "He is freeing the Middle East but telling me, an American, a person under his command, that I can't legally commit to who I love? That's **** that he wants freedom in other countries while condeming freedom in the land of the free."

I'm usually not outspoken about gay rights...aka EQUAL RIGHTS...but I'm getting heated now.

Congratulations on speaking up and out, Curtis.
I used to be more passive regarding gay rights... never saw myself as much of a political person, and felt that others were far more capable than I was, to intelligently and articulately stand up for the things I believe in.

But over the last few years, I realized that the only person capable of standing up for me, is me.
If I want something, I have to fight for it.

So, welcome to the ranks, Brother Curtis. We're going to win this battle yet.

GateandGarden · #2 11-03-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

We were talking about this in my Community Nursing class and one of my classmates said "For the first time, women are getting to vote in Afganistan.
He is freeing that country."

I shot up out of my seat and said "He is freeing the Middle East but telling me, an American, a person under his command, that I can't legally commit to who I love? That's **** that he wants freedom in other countries while condeming freedom in the land of the free."

I'm usually not outspoken about gay rights...aka EQUAL RIGHTS...but I'm getting heated now.

Yay Curtis! I'm so glad you spoke out! I'm not always so bold!

Hillary

Nixxxed · #3 11-04-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Who wants to join forces with me for a Queer Takeover?

Whew! I was just waiting for someone to ask. Off to iron my uniform and clean my guns...

"Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition..."

Johnny Stew · #4 11-04-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed

Whew! I was just waiting for someone to ask. Off to iron my uniform and clean my guns...

"Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition..."

Glad to have you aboard, Chuck!

That reminds me, I need to make a trip to the Military Surplus store....

amber · #5 11-03-2004, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

CNN) -- Six months after gay and lesbian couples won the right to marry in Massachusetts, opponents of same-sex marriage struck back Tuesday as voters in at least six states were projected to approve constitutional amendments codifying marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution.

Voters in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah cast ballots Tuesday on anti-same-sex marriage amendments.

CNN has projected that the bans will pass in all of those states except Oregon, where no projection can be made because polls have not yet closed.

Gay rights groups concentrated much of their effort and money in Oregon, where they thought they had the best chance of winning.

Opponents of the amendment raised about $2.8 million, enough to run TV and radio ads in the Beaver State and outspend pro-amendment forces, according to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

The push to amend state constitutions to ban same-sex marriage gained steam in May after gay men and lesbians were granted the right to marry in Massachusetts -- thanks to the state's Supreme Judicial Court, which ruled that laws restricting marriage to heterosexuals violated the state constitution.

In the wake of that ruling, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom ordered his city clerk to begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, saying the California constitution also did not allow such distinctions to be made.

Local officials in a number of other states, including Oregon and New York, followed his lead.

The California Supreme Court later ruled that Newsom had overstepped his authority, although the legal fight over the larger constitutional question has yet to be resolved.

As the backlash grew, opponents of gay and lesbian marriage, including many religious conservatives, moved quickly to put amendments on state ballots to short-circuit similar rulings from courts sympathetic to the argument that restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples was discriminatory.

"Millions of people understand that it's not bigotry to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and it's not right-wing to think that children need a mother and a father, not two mothers and two fathers," said Gary Bauer, president of American Values, a group opposed to same-sex marriage.

Opponents of gay and lesbian marriage are also pushing a federal constitutional amendment that would effectively ban same-sex marriage nationwide, though it failed to gain the needed two-thirds majority to pass when it came up for votes in both the House and Senate.

The federal amendment became an issue in the presidential race, with President Bush supporting the measure and Sen. John Kerry opposing it.

Despite their differences over the amendment, both Kerry and Bush were on record opposing same-sex marriage and supporting civil unions. Kerry has said he is not opposed to state constitutional bans.

With polls showing strong public opposition to same-sex marriage, groups fighting Tuesday's ballot measures conceded from the beginning that theirs was an uphill fight.

But they embraced the silver lining that the ballot measures were at least an opportunity to debate the issue.

"Public opinion does not change overnight," said Joan Garry, executive director for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

"We all know from personal experience you do not change somebody's mind on something they feel personally about without arguing about it."

In eight of the 11 states that voted Tuesday, the constitutional amendments contain additional language that opponents said could also ban civil unions and other legal protections for gay and lesbian people, though proponents in some of those states disputed those claims. The states are Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma and Utah.

The measure projected to be approved in Oklahoma went one step further by making it a misdemeanor crime to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple, a pre-emptive shot against any local officials who might want to follow in Newsom's footsteps.

Earlier this year, voters in Missouri and Louisiana also approved amendments banning same-sex marriage, although a judge in Louisiana later struck down that state's measure because of flawed ballot language. The state has appealed that ruling.

It seems obvious to me, that if there is eternal damnation, it's the intolerant bastards who're going first. I don't care how many times they read the bible or went to church
That is wrong, wrong, wrong!

SuzeQuze · #6 11-04-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

It seems obvious to me, that if there is eternal damnation, it's the intolerant bastards who're going first. I don't care how many times they read the bible or went to church
That is wrong, wrong, wrong!

Right Amber, didn't Jesus say "the meek shall inherit the earth"? And Tracy Chapman "Poor people gonna rise up, take their share".

It's getting scary, I'm smelling a Revolution.

~Susan

Johnny Stew · #7 11-04-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Right Amber, didn't Jesus say "the meek shall inherit the earth"?

Yes, he did.

The Book of Matthew, Chapter 5....

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)

Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)

Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)

Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)

Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)

"A change gonna come...."

amber · #8 11-04-2004, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Yes, he did.

The Book of Matthew, Chapter 5....

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)

Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)

Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)

Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)

Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)

"A change gonna come...."

Bush is the opposite of all that....