Soundstage CD Overdubs! You wont believe it!

[CarneVaca]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

bootleg (The ALD/IEM version) without a doubt, Proves that some background vocals were programmed in...It's very obvious on "Peacekeeper".

About Lindsey not playing...Just watch any of the SYW tour bootlegs on VHS/DVD and you can see a few times through each show were he is concentrating on the vocals more than the guitar and Neal & Carlos are there picking up the slack.

Brian j.

What's ALD/IEM?

This debate on how much Lindsey is playing is interesting to me. I don't know if he did anything differently from usual at Jones Beach, considering how far he was from the audience, but it seemed to me the pawing of the guitar by the audience happened only once and it was very brief.

As far as what he plays when singing, I really didn't notice any difference from previous tours. For instance, when you watch the Mirage video, his playing is pretty minimalistic when he is singing. This is quite common actually, because playing leads and riffs while singing is incredibly difficult, and seriously, I marvel at people like Lindsey who can actually pull it off.

As I said, I often looked back to the backup guitarists and the only times I noticed they were doing something more elaborate than chords and occasional riffs were during Stand Back, Come and Peacekeeper. Now, whenever there's one of those short solos that Lindsey likes to tuck in at the ends of songs, such as in IKINW and Peacekeeper, Lindsey was definitely playing those.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by CarneVaca

What's ALD/IEM?

This debate on how much Lindsey is playing is interesting to me. I don't know if he did anything differently from usual at Jones Beach, considering how far he was from the audience, but it seemed to me the pawing of the guitar by the audience happened only once and it was very brief.

As far as what he plays when singing, I really didn't notice any difference from previous tours. For instance, when you watch the Mirage video, his playing is pretty minimalistic when he is singing. This is quite common actually, because playing leads and riffs while singing is incredibly difficult, and seriously, I marvel at people like Lindsey who can actually pull it off.

Assisted Listening Device (ALD)-is a low level Mono F.M. signal that arena's broadcast rom an inhouse transmitter to a receiver that an audience member (With a hearing disability/hearing loss) can wear to hear an amplified raw feed coming from the PA output/BAND's monitors that is minus the crowd noise. Most all of the newer arena's carry this system (ie-Oklahoma CIty's "The Ford Center") and rent the receiver to those fans that are in need of it.

In Ear Monitor (IEM)-is the newest type of monitor that a band member uses compare to the ol' "on stage monitors". It makes it easier to hear one-selves in the output/PA mix with an IEM.

[seteca]

I can tell you the following with 100% certainty:

- During the "middle solo" of Go Your Own Way, the level of LB's guitar is not lowered at all from desk. What happens is exactly what Gaius suggested above, which is that Lindsey plays a riff, then holds the full chord at the end of that riff and lets the audience pick at some of the strings. Because he's holding the full correct chord, it's impossible for anybody to pick a bad note no matter how enthusiastically they pick at the strings. However, the reason why the resulting sound is a bit of a mess is not because people are hitting bad notes, but because there are many people hitting the same strings at the same time, so 90% of the attack is muted out by the person who hit that string 100th of second after you. The result is a flood of muted notes, but the odd note that does manage to get out, does sound right. (You can re-create this effect on any guitar easily: just palm mute over the bridge and start picking manically at the strings.)

- On most songs, LB uses the cleaner channel of the Mesa/Boogie amp, and uses the SD-1 overdrive pedal to give him the necessary sound-change for the solos of songs like GYOW and Come. His guitar IS "on" during the rhythm parts of these songs and he IS playing, but firstly the channel is clean (and so less harsh), and secondly as anyone who's ever played through a valve amp knows, the harder you play, the louder/more distorted the sound is (and by definition you shouldn't play hard during rhythm parts). For ISA, Ray Lindsey switches the amp to the overdrive channel (you will notice the green light in front of Lindsey switch to red, and anybody standing in the front on Lindsey's side will notice that suddenly the sound becomes a lot more harsh and painful on the ears) and LB plays through this channel for the whole song. Because it's a very loud/thick sound (i.e. the typical "solo" sound), you can see that he's hardly putting any pressure on the strings when he's playing the rhythm chords during the verses (only on The Dance) and chorus. For the solo he turns on the delay with the DD-3 pedal.

- LB plays all the lead parts for all the songs with two exceptions: firstly, after he's pretty much finished the end solo of GYOW and he's going crazy doing the guitar slapping routine/hitting Mick's cymbals with the guitar etc, it's Neale Heywood playing the "famous GYOW ending riff" over and over again at quite a low level (and the sound of Neale's strat is distinctively different from the M1). For the very last repeat, LB turns the volume on his guitar back up and plays it, and you can clearly hear the change in tone for that very last bar - the roar of the M1 is unique!
Secondly, on Stand Back, LB's guitar is on, and if you look at his left hand he is playing the correct chords, but the level of his guitar is reduced to an almost inaudible one by the mixing desk, as Neale and Carlos are playing the lead and rhythm. LB could not be there and for all musical intents and purposes it would not make a difference to that song.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

bootleg (The ALD/IEM version) without a doubt, Proves that some background vocals were programmed in...It's very obvious on "Peacekeeper".

Brian j.

I remember when you first sent this one to me, Brian. I was so excited to have a Buffalo show, and it's ALD!

I had the stereo blaring, loving life. Then Peacekeeper came on - WTF? Those creepy computer voices scared the sh*t out of me - actually, they still do & I skip this track whenever I listen to this boot.

The background "oooooooohs" on Say Goodbye are programmed in too, but it's not nearly as noticeable as on Peacekeeper.

paula

[dissention]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

You guys I was there,

Ok, In that middle part yes he goes down to the audience but he does NOT let them play the guitar. He just sits on the little ledge right in front of the fans. Then at the end he lets them play.

Jimmy

I played his guitar. He went down on the little ledge on his side of the stage, then got up and walked to Stevie's side and let that part of the audience play.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by skcin

I remember when you first sent this one to me, Brian. I was so excited to have a Buffalo show, and it's ALD!

I had the stereo blaring, loving life. Then Peacekeeper came on - WTF? Those creepy computer voices scared the sh*t out of me - actually, they still do & I skip this track whenever I listen to this boot.

The background "oooooooohs" on Say Goodbye are programmed in too, but it's not nearly as noticeable as on Peacekeeper.

paula

listened to "Peacekeeper" from the Buffalo ALD recording it bothered me because it sounded like either someone was way off key or their vocals went flat.

Yes, The background "ooooohs" on "Say Goodbye" are also very noticeable, But not as extreme as the b/g on "Peacekeeper".

Sometimes I wonder what Linds' reaction would be if someone pulled out some wire cutters/pliers during his nightly "audience participation" during GYOW and cut his strings

Brian "Vai? Are you hearin' me?" j.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by skcin

I had the stereo blaring, loving life. Then Peacekeeper came on - WTF? Those creepy computer voices scared the sh*t out of me - actually, they still do & I skip this track whenever I listen to this boot.

I know!! It's incredibly freaky.

[seteca]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

Sometimes I wonder what Linds' reaction would be if someone pulled out some wire cutters/pliers during his nightly "audience participation" during GYOW and cut his strings

Haha...Well that would be pretty nuts, but some idiot did something just as stupid during the 29/11 Earls Court show: during the main solo at the end of GYOW when he knelt down to play to the audience on Stevie's side, some jackass thought it would be funny to pull the cable out of the guitar. If you listen to the bootleg of this show it's very evident: the solo suddenly mutes for about 5 or 10 seconds, then he realises, puts the cable back into the guitar and being the trooper that he is carried on playing to the audience in that position. (If that happened to me, my temper would certainly have got the better of me; kudos to LB for keeping calm.)

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

Sometimes I wonder what Linds' reaction would be if someone pulled out some wire cutters/pliers during his nightly "audience participation" during GYOW and cut his strings

Probably would just turn and signal Ray Lindsey to bring out another guitar. And, Ray would probably have more of a problem with that since HE would have to be the one to restring the guitar!

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Probably would just turn and signal Ray Lindsey to bring out another guitar. And, Ray would probably have more of a problem with that since HE would have to be the one to restring the guitar!

Ray could always suffer what Paul McCartney's tech did when Paul chunked one of his Hoffner basses (I counted 6 of 'em in the cases on his tech's side of the stage) high in the air and it did not reach the tech's hand and made a horrendous THUD and pieces went everywhere...Thus being the butt of the joke the next night, Where Paul walked all the way across the stage and gently laid the Hoffner in his tech's hand but only after teasing him by trying to intentionally trip and drop the bass

[Cour]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

I've always thought Lindsey is not really playing as much guitar as we think, but who knows? If I was him I would just focus on the guitar because his live singing this tour has been pretty bad.

Really? So should he shut up for the whole concert and fill the time with Stevie songs....or just bring in someone else to do his vocals? Maybe he can get a gig on Stevie's next solo tour as one of her guitar players.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Ok, In that middle part yes he goes down to the audience but he does NOT let them play the guitar. He just sits on the little ledge right in front of the fans. Then at the end he lets them play.

Originally Posted by dissention

I played his guitar. He went down on the little ledge on his side of the stage, then got up and walked to Stevie's side and let that part of the audience play.

I think you and Jimmy are talking about two different sections of the song. But I could be wrong.

[macko814]

I was up against the stage for the Boston taping and I am 100% sure I heard the Rumours "...Yeah!" during the chorus. I was at the Hartford show this week and did not notice, but that could have been because I was on the lawn very far from the speakers.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Originally Posted by CarneVaca

OK, now this is making sense to me. One of those instances, you see, was during the Go Your Own Way solo. It may be that his guitar is turned down because of the dissonant sounds he gets from the audience members mauling the instrument. If that's the case, it's still silly. If you're going to do it, do it in full glory. The other instance in which his guitar was too low was after the drum solo on World Turning. But as far as the short solos on various songs and the two extended solos -- I'm So Afraid and Come -- that's all Lindsey. On I'm So Afraid, the two backup guitarists are not on stage. On Come, Neal is playing the main riffs during the verses, then I am pretty sure he and Carlos are doing power chords doing the loud, obnoxious parts. There was no trading of leads during the solo that I could tell, not like Lindsey did with This Is the Time in the Cradle tour.

I also think it depends on the the venue, and as we know sound varies night to night...some nights, based on the bootleg videos I have you can hear the crowd playing the guitar VERY LOUDLY...and just sounds like a bunch of kids kinda banging on a plugged in guitar...sometimes not so much...in Jacksonville I had my ear right to a speaker, which was odd, I got to hear things in the mix I hadn't heard before....like the samples from the SAY YOU WILL CD they dub in...also when i had the great pleasure of playing Lindsey's guitar, everytime I would pluck a string, I could hear the (probably horrible) noise that I made in the speaker that was in my right ear...so It's definetely on, I think he just turns it down so sometimes it gets buried in the mix

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I also disagree that his live singing on this tour is "bad," I happen to think he sounds the best on this tour than any other tour...He didn't sound that good on the Mirage tour, except for maybe the Dance tour which was more polished, he sounds great on this tour to me

Chris