Why Stevie Isn't Involved With the Fan Club

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
If they are not involved why should they care they will live in complete ignorance of all the fanclub problems....afterall what are their managers for...you don't seriously think that these people are in touch with the realities of everyday living?

Picture this Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John......three ivory towers and a boat. From which you have panoramic views and can't see the dross in the streets below.......that is how 'in touch' they are.

Well they shouldn't try to come across like they care about their fans then (if they want to distance themselves/act ignorant about it or whatever) as it is their fans that are the ones getting screwed. Y'know?

John

[Smokin Joe]

Just what I was thinking about John. Looking at the big pictlure from their veiw, what are 2000 or 3000 fan club members or how ever many there are, compared to the millions they have the power to reach. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few I am sorry to say and guess who are the few.

[gypsysara]

It it me, or likely Im being shallow...

but JT looks like an OLD HAG!

UGH! Sara, you'd better take that photo down before it somehow corrupts your awesome site. LOL! Knowing the history, its bound to happen somehow.

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by wetcamelfood
Well they shouldn't try to come across like they care about their fans then (if they want to distance themselves/act ignorant about it or whatever) as it is their fans that are the ones getting screwed. Y'know?

John

Mmmm...I really believe that they do care about their fans......but as I said they aren't the most 'in touch' with the goings on with the fan club...afterall....again comes up the subject of management, when you think about who holds the band together it is our dear Mick Fleetwood.....he has the rights to the name so he and John but mostly Mick I would say are taking full advantage of that fiscally but his friends and business partners are often somewhat choice. I sincerely believe that Mick is behind the whole thing and that Stevie Lindsey and John are pretty much out of the picture on this. We must all keep account of Mick's less than succesful business dealings which seems applicable to this venture also, though it pains me to say this I feel that this is proving to be as catastrophic as anything Mick has turned his hand to, save Fleetwood Mac.

[wetcamelfood]

I see what you're saying highpriestess and I agree that it probably is mainly Mick's show etc. and respect your view ...but, (and again, I don't mean to drag this in to being another JT thread) it can't be ignored that if SN & LB don't know about the fan club then they should know (being members of the band after all) and if they do know then that shows how they "don't care about their fans". If they are that out of touch then how can they say they are even taking an interest in the goings on of their fans? (if they don't know that is, they can't have it both ways) IF they care, then it's about time they got as involved as they would want us to believe that they are.

Mick used to run FM but since it's all too clear now that he will do whatever SN & LB want, then in essence, THEY now call the shots in FM. If they do care and found out about the fan club then if push came to shove and they said to Mick (or his management) "fire JT & stop the club or we'll leave the band" naturally Mick will say "OK, whatever you want, don't leave, anything you say". So they COULD stop this if they wanted (& cared) regardless of what their managers say as of ocurse they would want that mess to carry on as that's what's bringing in the bucks (or was) and that's all they care about. That's what it really boils down to (I think) though as I say I do respect what you say as it does make sense, the above is JMHO though.

John

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by wetcamelfood
I see what you're saying highpriestess and I agree that it probably is mainly Mick's show etc. and respect your view ...but, (and again, I don't mean to drag this in to being another JT thread) it can't be ignored that if SN & LB don't know about the fan club then they should know (being members of the band after all) and if they do know then that shows how they "don't care about their fans". If they are that out of touch then how can they say they are even taking an interest in the goings on of their fans? (if they don't know that is, they can't have it both ways) IF they care, then it's about time they got as involved as they would want us to believe that they are.

Mick used to run FM but since it's all too clear now that he will do whatever SN & LB want, then in essence, THEY now call the shots in FM. If they do care and found out about the fan club then if push came to shove and they said to Mick (or his management) "fire JT & stop the club or we'll leave the band" naturally Mick will say "OK, whatever you want, don't leave, anything you say". So they COULD stop this if they wanted (& cared) regardless of what their managers say as of ocurse they would want that mess to carry on as that's what's bringing in the bucks (or was) and that's all they care about. That's what it really boils down to (I think) though as I say I do respect what you say as it does make sense, the above is JMHO though.

John

I totally get where you are coming from.....they, that is Lindsey Stevie and John should make it their business to know what is going on and act accordingly.....Mick is trying to make as much $ so that he can retire to Hawaii with Lynn and the babies in GREAT financial security......I can't blame him but don't do it at the expense of the fans....another thing is who is to say that JT is being entirely honest about the state of the fanclub...perhaps like with the members of said club he trying to pull a fast one and the wool over Mick's eyes...which isn't unheard of.
It is my exerience and no doubt of others , that if you want anything doing properly you have got to do it yourself......others will always screw up.

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
I totally get where you are coming from.....they, that is Lindsey Stevie and John should make it their business to know what is going on and act accordingly.....Mick is trying to make as much $ so that he can retire to Hawaii with Lynn and the babies in GREAT financial security......I can't blame him but don't do it at the expense of the fans....another thing is who is to say that JT is being entirely honest about the state of the fanclub...perhaps like with the members of said club he trying to pull a fast one and the wool over Mick's eyes...which isn't unheard of.
It is my exerience and no doubt of others , that if you want anything doing properly you have got to do it yourself......others will always screw up.

I agree, I'm sure that JT is making everything out to Mick as peachy as can be, perhaps the other Mac members managers are doing that with their respective members as well. That's what I meant when I said what I did about the managers just caring about the money and not caring about the fans etc.

Naturally, I'd like to think as higly about ALL the Mac members as people as highly as I think of them as musicians but since this is not the first time this has happened with Mac related fan clubs (which we won't go in to again since that has already been discussed at length in other threads), THIS is why, like you say priestess, that IF they cared etc. then they COULD'VE set it up themselves with more trustworthy, less money hungry people.

I've said before in other related threads that SN (& as of late it seems LB too) know Tom Petty and it would be a no brainer for them to go to him and ask for advice on how to get a REAL fan club set up to be able to treat their fans (that "they care about") well and I'm sure he could've put them in touch with the right people ...but no, this hasn't happened, and sadly, probably never will. So their silence on this speaks loud and clear to me.

Whatever the case, we'll never know really as even if SN & LB do know about what's going on and have chose to ignore it, they're never going to admit that. My guess is when the SYW tour ends, they may release a statement to the press saying they didn't know about it, they just found out and they're sorry it happened etc. but of course waiting until the end of the tour and then saying that doesn't really mean much because all the money has already been earned that can be from the SYW project so they'd win no brownie points from me if/when this happened/happens.

Again though, it's JMHO and I'm glad we do agree though on what we've said in the above posts.

John

[msLinds]

bump again.

[msLinds]

Bump.

[Smokin Joe]

I can't beleive that the band is ignorant to the things happening with the fan club. They answer questions to fans at the fan club site. They have pictures and videos on the fan club site. Was it me, I would want to see where these things are going and I woulod want to see Mick's site too as it concerns the whole band. Even though it seems that Mick is running the whole show, they have to know. If they don't know, really don't know, then they should be told. I just don't know how to do that.