Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired - Page 29

irishgrl · #**421** 01-19-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Why is it "in your face" views. I feel that your views are "in my face."

YOU came crashing onto this board flaunting your "Christian" faith, the fact that it was FUN FUN FUN that in America if you didnt like the laws in one state you had to move or change your ways; YOU accused all Liberals of being baby murderers, your gloating that with the current Administration, the Religious Right was even closer to achieving its goal of restricting marriage to men/women only--in MY book that is "IN MY FACE".
If I wanted to be truly in YOUR face I'd tell you that Roe v. Wade is STILL the law of the land and DEAL WITH IT. That your Bible thumping turns AWAY more people than it converts because truly, you are an example of what is most egregious about fundamentalists: your narrow parameters EXCLUDE more people than they include, and that is CONTRARY to the example Jesus set.

There's an old saying: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
you should have paid attention

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**422** 01-19-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'm not trying to beat this issue to death, but not more than a few pages ago, you said:

You stated that, in order to not be "in the wrong," a homosexual must deny themselves romantic and physical love, and to live a life of celebacy.

Heterosexuals can find fulfillment through a spouse AND God, but a homosexual is only allowed to find it through self-sacrifice and God.

Well when scripture repeatedly condems same-sex relationships...and then states that not everyone is made for marriage...I guess some folks are called by God to make different sacrifices than others...Your place in Heaven shall be greater than others!

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**423** 01-19-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

YOU came crashing onto this board flaunting your "Christian" faith, the fact that it was FUN FUN FUN that in America if you didnt like the laws in one state you had to move or change your ways; YOU accused all Liberals of being baby murderers, your gloating that with the current Administration, the Religious Right was even closer to achieving its goal of restricting marriage to men/women only--inn MY book that is "IN MY FACE".
If I wanted to be truly in YOUR face I'd tell you that Roe v. Wade is STILL the law of the land and DEAL WITH IT. That your Bible thumping turns AWAY more people than it converts because truly, you are an example of what is most egregious about fundamentalists: your narrow parameters EXCLUDE more people than they include, and that is CONTRARY to the example Jesus set.

There's an old saying: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
you should have paid attention

Well, all I was trying to do was defend some issues that I felt needed defended...and I DIDNT bring them up! The way I go about things sometimes, can come off as rude, and I have already apologized for that! I'm NOT a Bible thumper (please...Im Catholic!!). And Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional in every since of the word. All Americans have the right to what?

LIFE!

amber · #**424** 01-19-2005, 01:05 AM

*ahem*.....

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Originally Posted by amber

Secularism is exactly that - the absence of religion in politics. You are free, as a religious person, not to have an abortion, not to end the life of an elderly person, not to take drugs, not to worship money, greed and power.
It's as simple as that. And every person should be free to decide those things for themselves. Just as you want to be free to decide them.

it just makes sense to me. Christian people, and gay people, and every other person, should be free to decide about these issues, without the gov't telling them what they should do. How would you like it, if, someone told you you could not practice your religion? that the gov't could tell you what you could and could not do? don't you think you'd be pissed?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**425** 01-19-2005, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

yes, you can vote according to your beliefs. Just know that those beliefs promote the descrimination and inequality to your fellow humans. Not to mention the immense harm that Bush has no problem perpetrating on the other life forms on this earth.
apparently the fact that jesus said that we will be judged by how we treat the least of us has no effect on you.
Yes, by all means, you have the right to vote to take away rights from other humans/creatures that god created.
P.S.? Our ancestors died for freedom from religious persecution. freedom of religion. get it?

What gets me is that most liberals want to get rid of the Christ in Christmas...like in the case (I forgot which state) where the school completely did away with any mention of Christmas in their play, but left in Kwanza and Hanukkah …what is that all about?

Where are our rights there?

irishgrl · #**426** 01-19-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Well, all I was trying to do was defend some issues that I felt needed defended...and I DIDNT bring them up! The way I go about things sometimes, can come off as rude, and I have already apologized for that! I'm NOT a Bible thumper (please...Im Catholic!!). And Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional in every since of the word. All Americans have the right to what?

LIFE!

as I recall it was LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS......
LIBERTY is FREEDOM.
Roe v. Wade is CONSTITUTIONAL, based on the right of a person to have autonomy over their own person, place and effects. btw: I should warn you that among other things I am a Paralegal, and have studied INTENSLY the subject of abortion and Roe v. Wade. I can hold my own against the Lawyers and I hold the trump card, I am a WOMAN and it is MY Body I am talking about. Neither YOU nor any of your Groups have the right to tell ANY woman what they may do with their OWN body. Because I tell you, I have felt the effects of pregnancy. I KNOW first hand just who makes the ultimate sacrifice in order to bring a baby into this world. You, in your male body have NO CLUE. So dont start that argument with ME because you WONT win.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**427** 01-19-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by seeker007nmss

Marriage is not a million year old institution, and doesn't orthadox christianity say the world isn't that old?

No! Your thinking of Jewish Orthodoxy.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**428** 01-19-2005, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

as I recall it was LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS......
LIBERTY is FREEDOM.
Roe v. Wade is CONSTITUTIONAL, based on the right of a person to have autonomy over their own person, place and effects.

NO you are contradicting yourself.

Do you have the CHOICE to murder me...Yes...but you are denying me my RIGHTS to LIFE LIBERTY AND MY PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS...

When you murder that baby...you are robbing him/her early own. Its no ones right to murder another innocent human being.

THAT...is the law of the land.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**429** 01-19-2005, 01:12 AM

Ok guys...Im tired

Im going to bed

Hope you guys have a good night and a good day tomorrow!

Take care, God Bless.

amber · #**430** 01-19-2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

What gets me is that most liberals want to get rid of the Christ in Christmas...like in the case (I forgot which state) where the school completely did away with any mention of Christmas in their play, but left in Kwanza and Hanukkah …what is that all about?

Where are our rights there?

I don't know. If you bring up an actual article or facts, i might be able to answer. I have to say, for the most part, i hardly see Christian religions being stomped on. but again, I don't know until i see where that actually happened...
that doesn't really address my point, though. And most liberals don't want to get rid of anything like that. They usually just want an equal representation of other solstice holidays, practiced by non christians.

But, can you imagine, what if all throughout american history, you were Christian, but everyone only celebrated Kwaanza? Or Hanukkah? You might long for some representation, too. And, no, i'm not saying that getting rid of Christmas mention is right (if that's true)

Johnny Stew · #**431** 01-19-2005, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Well when scripture repeatedly condems same-sex relationships...and then states that not everyone is made for marriage...I guess some folks are called by God to make different sacrifices than others...Your place in Heaven shall be greater than others!

Now, see, that last sentence proves what many of my friends already believe... that gay people ARE better than others.

But, again... and seriously... the words in the bible "condemning" homosexuality, were NOT God's words, but the words of human males.
As I've tried to explain over and over again, it was the words of these very same human males, which also promoted slavery, human sacrifices, female subjugation, and countless other things that we no longer in good conscience follow.

Why people feel the need, after all of that, to STILL hold fast and true to the equally archaic and ignorant comments made about homosexuality, is beyond me.

And, again... homosexuality does NOT go against the Ten Commandments.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**432** 01-19-2005, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

I don't know. If you bring up an actual article or facts, i might be able to answer. I have to say, for the most part, i hardly see Christian religions being stomped on. but again, I don't know until i see where that actually happened...
that doesn't really address my point, though. And most liberals don't want to get rid of anything like that. They usually just want an equal representation of other solstice holidays, practiced by non christians.

But, can you imagine, what if all throughout american history, you were Christian, but everyone only celebrated Kwaanza? Or Hanukkah? You might long for some representation, too. And, no, i'm not saying that getting rid of Christmas mention is right (if that's true)

And so the way to settle this is to get rid of any mention of the most common religion but allow it to continue for the other religious holidays. Where is the justice in that?

amber · #**433** 01-19-2005, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Ok guys...Im tired

Im going to bed

Hope you guys have a good night and a good day tomorrow!

Take care, God Bless.

okay, goodnight. I'm going to sing Stevie at Karaoke night at the gay bar by my house, with my girlfriend whom i've slept with...

"I. said. yeah. well. whattamysupposedtodo!"

even though i'm straight...

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**434** 01-19-2005, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Now, see, that last sentence proves what many of my friends already believe... that gay people ARE better than others.

But, again... and seriously... the words in the bible "condemning" homosexuality, were NOT God's words, but the words of human males.
As I've tried to explain over and over again, it was the words of these very same human males, which also promoted slavery, human sacrifices, female subjugation, and countless other things that we no longer in good conscience follow.

Why people feel the need, after all of that, to STILL hold fast and true to the equally archaic and ignorant comments made about homosexuality, is beyond me.

And, again... homosexuality does NOT go against the Ten Commandments.

Note...the Ten Commandments aren't you only rules God gave us