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Old 01-19-2005, 12:24 AM
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Can't you see that it's wrong to want everyone to believe what you do? What if someone tried to do that to you? Can't you see how you would hate that? Geez, I swear.
why is it WRONG to want to bring people to Jesus (without forcing). Which is what he wanted us to do..."teach unto all nations". Its up to the person to follow Jesus. So no one can be forced...but I can still LONG for everyone to follow him...

and someone thats wrong to think like that?
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:25 AM
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well, the results of your posts belie that intention


you come onto this board with your "in your face" beliefs and then you say you want UNITY? You've got a funny way of showing it.....kinda like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer.............
Why is it "in your face" views. I feel that your views are "in my face."
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:26 AM
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Yes, be excepting of people and love them Is christs message. But Christ also preached about SIN. To the woman he rescued from adultury, he told her her sins were forgiven...BUT...GO AND SIN NO MORE! God turns his head away from Sin, but he dosen't want us to show any less respect and love towards those who sin...which is EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!
Forgive me for not appreciating being lumped in with adulterers and other "sinners," simply because I'm not heterosexual and have chosen not to live my life denying myself things that most Christians would never even think to deny themselves.
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:26 AM
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I'll give up the hope of ever having a romantic and intimate relationship, in order to serve God, the minute everyone else does.

However, I have a question. Since some religions allow their ministers to marry, will I be allowed to marry another man if I serve God as a minister?
Or will I still be denied something allowed heterosexuals?
It depends what "church" you join. Im sure that there are denominations that would allow that.
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:28 AM
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I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm certainly not asking you or anyone else to abandon their beliefs.

In fact, what I'm asking doesn't involve the abandonment of beliefs at all... it merely involves looking a little deeper into your religion, and seeing that some of the ideas regarding homosexuality that are professed, are as antiquated as slavery and the subjugation of women.
Sorry, you just said Im not asking you to change your beliefs...BUT I want you to change this one! : Thats to fun.
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:29 AM
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In fact, what I'm asking doesn't involve the abandonment of beliefs at all... it merely involves looking a little deeper into your religion, and seeing that some of the ideas regarding homosexuality that are professed, are as antiquated as slavery and the subjugation of women.

Why does the ten commandments say "Do not covet thy neighbors wife? But doesn't mention anything about convetting thy neighbors husband? Are they fair game then? Just wondering.....
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why is it WRONG to want to bring people to Jesus (without forcing). Which is what he wanted us to do..."teach unto all nations". Its up to the person to follow Jesus. So no one can be forced...but I can still LONG for everyone to follow him...

and someone thats wrong to think like that?
It's wrong to vote and support politicians and views that aren't all inclusive. It's wrong to foist your views upon a nation, using political means. It's wrong not to realize that people who don't think exactly like you are somehow less deserving of basic human rights. It's wrong to descriminate, and support those who descriminate, based on color, creed, and religion. It's wrong.
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Forgive me for not appreciating being lumped in with adulterers and other "sinners," simply because I'm not heterosexual and have chosen not to live my life denying myself things that most Christians would never even think to deny themselves.
Christianity doesn’t ask you to deny who you are. But to embrace how God wants you to live your life. Intense conversation with God is required.
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:32 AM
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Sorry, you just said Im not asking you to change your beliefs...BUT I want you to change this one! : Thats to fun.
There's a difference between asking one to change their beliefs, and asking them to look DEEPER into their beliefs for the truth.

Again, if you can look deeper into your beliefs to see that slavery and female subjugation are wrong, then you should be able to look deeper into your beliefs to see that homosexuality isn't.
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Christianity doesn’t ask you to deny who you are. But to embrace how God wants you to live your life. Intense conversation with God is required.
You really don't know what god has ever said. you can never know how he/she/it wants Johnny Stew to live his life. You just can't. God did not sit down with a big pen and write the bible. And once again, God would've said...
"hey, I created everything, everything has it's place, everything is beautiful - otherwise, why would i have created it?"

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Christianity doesn’t ask you to deny who you are. But to embrace how God wants you to live your life. Intense conversation with God is required.
You're really something, aren't you? Now you're telling us how to have our relationships with God. I am comfortable with my beliefs, and they're between me and God. I'm quite happy with that.
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:34 AM
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It's wrong to vote and support politicians and views that aren't all inclusive. It's wrong to foist your views upon a nation, using political means. It's wrong not to realize that people who don't think exactly like you are somehow less deserving of basic human rights. It's wrong to descriminate, and support those who descriminate, based on color, creed, and religion. It's wrong.
We vote based on OUR belief on how WE think the country should be run, we vote based on our conscience and how it tells us to vote..

And all those who voted like this (for Bush) are WRONG.

That’s are GOD GIVEN RIGHT, the right that our ancestors DIED FOR. And I will be DAMNED If I am going to compromise how I vote because someone else tells me I'm WRONG.
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You really don't know what god has ever said. you can never know how he/she/it wants Johnny Stew to live his life. You just can't. God did not sit down with a big pen and write the bible. And once again, God would've said...
"hey, I created everything, everything has it's place, everything is beautiful - otherwise, why would i have created it?"

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The "Love, God" is a nice touch. Seriously, though, I agree with you.
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We vote based on OUR belief on how WE think the country should be run, we vote based on our conscience and how it tells us to vote..

And all those who voted like this (for Bush) are WRONG.

That’s are GOD GIVEN RIGHT, the right that our ancestors DIED FOR. And I will be DAMNED If I am going to compromise how I vote because someone else tells me I'm WRONG.
yes, you can vote according to your beliefs. Just know that those beliefs promote the descrimination and inequality to your fellow humans. Not to mention the immense harm that Bush has no problem perpetrating on the other life forms on this earth.
apparently the fact that jesus said that we will be judged by how we treat the least of us has no effect on you.
Yes, by all means, you have the right to vote to take away rights from other humans/creatures that god created.
P.S.? Our ancestors died for freedom from religious persecution. freedom of religion. get it?
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Christianity doesn’t ask you to deny who you are. But to embrace how God wants you to live your life. Intense conversation with God is required.
I pray, and I have studied the bible. In doing so, I am confident that my homosexuality, and physical expressions of it, are in no way against God.
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