Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired - Page 24

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**346** 01-18-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

That is just wrong. You really think god would've created 15-25 percent of the population throughout all of time, as gay people, and meant that as their "cross to bear"?

Yes, we all have crosses to bear in life. Make a funny out of it if you wish some people are blind and some are deaf, they could scorn God for this turning from him, but they choose to instead devote their love to him and be thankful for what they do have.

We often make the weight of our cross a lot more heavier than it should be

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**347** 01-18-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

This is the best and most well thought-out essay (from a religious standpiont) on the subject I have found....from a strictly theological standpoint.

Clickie

You no not...you would actually support an essay that supported you view now would you? You wouldn't do that!

I can give you a link to other well thought out and completely theological papers on the other side.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**348** 01-18-2005, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

well, what i thought, is that you're views within Christianity spread hatred, and that she said she was Christian, and not to use the religion to spread hatred. ie, i agreed with her, that you should not use religion to support bigotry and descrimination. That's all.

I don't want to spread hatred...but morals on the other hand...heck yea!

irishgrl · #**349** 01-18-2005, 11:36 PM

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We believe that the early church fathers were guided by the Holy Spirit to make the proper decisions on which books should be included in the final Bible.

What a crock!
The early Church Fathers were guided by a POWER GRAB between the factions that believed Jesus was Divine and those that believed he was a MAN.
There was NO HOLY SPIRIT guiding THOSE folks let me tell YOU! This was a very serious business because the Church used scripture to gain control over the people. It shaped society for centuries to come (is STILL shaping it if YOU are any indication) It wasnt until the invention of the printing press and wide scale accessibility of the Bible for the masses that people began to read for themselves and interpret for themselves instead of being spoon fed what the Church wanted them to believe!

Henry the 8th broke away from the Catholic Church and Founded his Own in order to be able to marry another woman not his wife! Martin Luther broke away from the Church over issues of paid for dispensations! The GREAT AIM of the Church always has been and always will be control--control for the good of the CHURCH.

btw: Aramaic is a form of Hebrew so we are both right.

ontheEdgeof17 · #**350** 01-18-2005, 11:36 PM

I'm seriously going to cry.

I keep telling myself it's not my fault or God's fault for me being gay and wanting what a "normal" person wants and needs. But who's fault is it? There has to be some sort of reason why i was born homosexual. If I had any choice in this, it wouldn't be what I am living in during this day and age.

As Stevie would say:

I don't change
And baby you don't change
It's all the same....Rhiannon.

estranged4life · #**351** 01-18-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

LOL!!

Hey, like it says, we are ALL different, even in our desires.

If God (Him/Her/It/They/Moneybag M$ck

/Etc) came to earth and offered me a quadrillion dollars and all the most beautiful women for any wild sexual fantasy I would want for the rest of my life in exchange for permanently giving up music...I hope he (If God's a "he") better be wearing a cup cause I am gonna tee-off in his jewels and say NO DEAL (!!!) and then ask 'him' my ol' tried-and-true "were you born stupid...Or did a have to work at it???"

GypsySorcerer · #**352** 01-18-2005, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Same here, Merfy. However, the local churches have low blowed us many of times throughout the years.

What denominations to you belong to, if you don't mind my asking?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**353** 01-18-2005, 11:40 PM

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I'm seriously going to cry.

I keep telling myself it's not my fault or God's fault for me being gay and wanting what a "normal" person wants and needs. But who's fault is it? There has to be some sort of reason why i was born homosexual. If I had any choice in this, it wouldn't be what I am living in during this day and age.

As Stevie would say:

I don't change
And baby you don't change
It's all the same....Rhiannon.

I don't want you to cry...please dont

its no ones fault the way you feel, you feel the way you feel. From the typical religous stand point you would be incouraged to serve God in a celibate life style...it can be done...and people CAN be happy feeling their void with the perfection of Gods love...a love that NO human can give you. You are not WRONG to feel what you feel. But God is calling you to something greater.

Sorry, that was my religious spill for the night. I'm not trying to force my view on you AT ALL!!!!

I just don't want you to cry

SMILE BE HAPPY

wondergirl9847 · #**354** 01-18-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

If God (Him/Her/It/They/Moneybag M$ck

/Etc) came to earth and offered me a quadrillion dollars and all the most beautiful women for any wild sexual fantasy I would want for the rest of my life in exchange for permanently giving up music...I hope he (If God's a "he") better be wearing a cup cause I am gonna tee-off in his jewels and say NO DEAL (!!!) and then ask 'him' my ol' tried-and-true "were you born stupid...Or did a have to work at it???"

Not even Rita Cosby and Stevie Nicks TOGETHER?!!

LOL

GypsySorcerer · #**355** 01-18-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I'm seriously going to cry.

I keep telling myself it's not my fault or God's fault for me being gay and wanting what a "normal" person wants and needs. But who's fault is it? There has to be some sort of reason why i was born homosexual. If I had any choice in this, it wouldn't be what I am living in during this day and age.

As Stevie would say:

I don't change
And baby you don't change
It's all the same....Rhiannon.

We need a hug icon.

Curtis, I think you're kind, good-looking and intelligent....And you've chosen to go into one of the most selfless professions there are.
All I can say is, you're loved by many.

amber · #**356** 01-18-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I'm seriously going to cry.

I keep telling myself it's not my fault or God's fault for me being gay and wanting what a "normal" person wants and needs. But who's fault is it? There has to be some sort of reason why i was born homosexual. If I had any choice in this, it wouldn't be what I am living in during this day and age.

As Stevie would say:

I don't change
And baby you don't change
It's all the same....Rhiannon.

don't cry, because you are right.
I, personally, am not Christian. But I think about the big picture a lot. And, logically, it occurs to me that God, if there is one, would never have made 15-25 percent of the population throughout time gay, if that is not what he/she/it had wanted. It is only man's interpretation that makes it so. Nature in it's many and varied forms is all beautiful, and all have a place in the mosaic, otherwise it would not be here. We are all one.
Again, i'm not religious in the Christian way, but if i was, that is how i'd think of god. I would think that everything was created for a reason, and everything is good, and has it's place. No creation would have more or less importance.
I, personally, think of gay people as berdache - one who knows the balance between both worlds...male and female...

ontheEdgeof17 · #**357** 01-18-2005, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

its no ones fault the way you feel, you feel the way you feel. From the typical religous stand point you would be incouraged to serve God in a celibate life style...it can be done...and people CAN be happy feeling their void with the perfection of Gods love...a love that NO human can give you. You are not WRONG to feel what you feel. But God is calling you to something greater.

Yeah, I'm sure my calling is to masterbate for the rest of my life. That's the stupidest thing i have ever heard. Too late though since I have had sex and been in relationships. Since my denomination (which is Christian, btw) doesn't believe in being saved after Baptism, I guess I am screwed in some eyes.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**358** 01-18-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

What a crock!
The early Church Fathers were guided by a POWER GRAB between the factions that believed Jesus was Divine and those that believed he was a MAN.
There was NO HOLY SPIRIT guiding THOSE folks let me tell YOU! This was a very serious business because the Church used scripture to gain control over the people. It shaped society for centuries to come (is STILL shaping it if YOU are any indication) It wasnt until the invention of the printing press and wide scale accessibility of the Bible for the masses that people began to read for themselves and interpret for themselves instead of being spoon fed what the Church wanted them to believe!

Henry the 8th broke away from the Catholic Church and Founded his Own in order to be able to marry another woman not his wife! Martin Luther broke away from the Church over issues of paid for dispensations! The GREAT AIM of the Church always has been and always will be control--control for the good of the CHURCH.

Again, Im sorry that you feel that way.

But you are intitled to your belief system!

But you have to excute THE CHURCH for actually standing up to someone and saying NO were NOT going to grant you, Henry the 8th, a divorce because your wife "can't produce a male child"...were not going to accomidate our beliefs about divorce so you can get married again...

POOF...he starts his own church!

And Martin Luther actually had good points...there was corruption going on in the church during the time of Luther, and he very much wanted to settle it within the church. But, some of his crazy followers went a little overboard and decided to break off completley and start a new church.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**359** 01-18-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Yeah, I'm sure my calling is to masterbate for the rest of my life. That's the stupidest thing i have ever heard. Too late though since I have had sex and been in relationships. Since my denomination (which is Christian, btw) doesn't believe in being saved after Baptism, I guess I am screwed in some eyes.

Well I believe that you aren't REALLY TRULY saved until you stand in front of God and he gives you his judgement.

And I had a feeling you would laugh at the church's view on the subject...why not...taken the easy and free road out is always much more fun!

markolas · #**360** 01-18-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I'm seriously going to cry.

I keep telling myself it's not my fault or God's fault for me being gay and wanting what a "normal" person wants and needs. But who's fault is it? There has to be some sort of reason why i was born homosexual. If I had any choice in this, it wouldn't be what I am living in during this day and age.

A bit of unsolicited advice.

Don't expose your vulnerability to people like brwn_eyes.

Be proud of who you are. Being gay isn't a disease to assign blame to someone for. You couldn't pay me to turn straight, were such a thing possible. I would miss out on knowing so many great people. There's no way I'd trade that for brwn_eyes' idea of heaven. A place like that would be sheer hell to me, anyway. Don't waste time wishing you could be someone you're not because you think it would be "easier."