Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by Merf

As a Christian, I find that blanket statement to be terribly offensive. Don't use my religion to spread your hate.

Merf, all he said was that many Christians believe that the homosexual act is a sin. ??!!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

but neither does it say that they were intimate or lovers.

yes it does:
"and as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground and bowed himself three times: and
they kissed one another
hmmm and they spent a lot of time in the fields together too........

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Merf

As a Christian, I find that blanket statement to be terribly offensive. Don't use my religion to spread your hate.

I don't have hate, Im sorry you view it as that.

And If you would actually read what I wrote I said MOST Christians which means what?

2 : the majority of (websters)

so what does that mean...there are christian groups that support gay marriage...hmmm

guess that means YOU...oops...not so much a blanket statement anymore huh?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

yes it does:
"and as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground and bowed himself three times: and
they kissed one another
hmmm and they spent a lot of time in the fields together too........

Yes and lets give the many examples of where men have kissed men in the OT and NT (especially Jesus)

cultures and customes in anctient jewish times were alot different than today.
You can't "americanize" the bible.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

yes it does:
"and as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground and bowed himself three times: and
they kissed one another
hmmm and they spent a lot of time in the fields together too........

Kissing the same gender does not = gay. LOL I see how it may be interpreted that way, but I don't believe they were gay. They were best friends and very close.

Besides, it doesn't say WHERE they kissed each other. On the forehead? On the cheek? On the back of the hand? Who knows!

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

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so what does that mean...there are christian groups that support gay marriage...hmmm

guess that means YOU...oops...not so much a blanket statement anymore huh?

My denomination accepts marriage as a rites of passage.....gay or straight.....We get bashed a lot though.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

Merf, all he said was that many Christians believe that the homosexual act is a sin. ??!!

Thank you!

[Merf]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

Merf, all he said was that many Christians believe that the homosexual act is a sin. ??!!

No, he said MOST, when in fact, only the more conservative denominations (the Fundamentalists, if you will) stick to that hardlined idea as a tenet of their faith. Individuals believe what they want, but as denominations, only a few actually preach that hatred. Many of the more liberal denominations (including mine) don't view the exclusion of homosexuals from the church as a Christian ideal.

Like our AnnCoulter-loving friend here, I too think it's important to speak from both sides of an issue.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

Rock it, Sistah!

Yea thats right, support the hatred.

Everyone was posting just fine and then she had to make a hate post, and its "Rock it, Sistah!"

H-Y-P and add an O-C, R-I-S-Y spells Hypocrisy

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

News...
There the original greek and hebrew translations of scripture. Which were transfered into latin by St. Jerome, and then into other languages starting with Martin Luther.

It dates back to early Jews, we religous types tend to keep up with our founding documents.

so, how do you RELIGIOUS TYPES explain the wholesale gutting of the Bible by the 5th Ecumenical Council? Our good friend Constantine picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to keep or toss? Are you aware of the early Church crisis regarding the Divinity (or not) of Jesus? or how all the original chapters that honored women (with the exception of Ruth who was "properly" subservient?)

oh and btw: I always thought the ORIGINAL language of the Bible was Aramaic? PUH LEEZ. And another thing: much of the "founding documents" were lost when the great Library of Alexandria caught fire! Good Grief!
only a pitiful fragment remains and THAT is in the Vatican Archives....
(you religious types LOL!)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Merf

No, he said MOST, when in fact, only the more conservative denominations (the Fundamentalists, if you will) stick to that hardlined idea as a tenet of their faith. Individuals believe what they want, but as denominations, only a few actually preach that hatred. Many of the more liberal denominations (including mine) don't view the exclusion of homosexuals from the church as a Christian ideal.

You don't have a correct understanding of the Christians that exist in America then do you. Only a rare few churches such as the "friends" (Quakers) churches are excepting of gay marriage. Poll the MAJORITY of Christians and see if they support gay marriage. Heck check the 2004 poll results in the states that were asked if they wanted to legalize gay marriage...that number speaks for itself.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Yea thats right, support the hatred.

Everyone was posting just fine and then she had to make a hate post, and its "Rock it, Sistah!"

H-Y-P and add an O-C, R-I-S-Y spells Hypocrisy

well, what i thought, is that you're views within Christianity spread hatred, and that she said she was Christian, and not to use the religion to spread hatred. ie, i agreed with her, that you should not use religion to support bigotry and descrimination. That's all.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by Merf

Many of the more liberal denominations (including mine) don't view the exclusion of homosexuals from the church as a Christian ideal.

Same here, Merfy. However, the local churches have low blowed us many of times throughout the years.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by Merf

No, he said MOST, when in fact, only the more conservative denominations (the Fundamentalists, if you will) stick to that hardlined idea as a tenet of their faith. Individuals believe what they want, but as denominations, only a few actually preach that hatred. Many of the more liberal denominations (including mine) don't view the exclusion of homosexuals from the church as a Christian ideal.

Where are you getting your statistics from?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

so, how do you RELIGIOUS TYPES explain the wholesale gutting of the Bible by the 5th Ecumenical Council? Our good friend Constantine picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to keep or toss? Are you aware of the early Church crisis regarding the Divinity (or not) of Jesus? or how all the original chapters that honored women (with the exception of Ruth who was "properly" subservient?)

oh and btw: I always thought the ORIGINAL language of the Bible was Aramaic? PUH LEEZ.

Well, you’re wrong. Original language of the Bible was mostly Hebrew, I believe that only Daniel was found written in Aramaic...and The New Testament was written in Greek but the peoples of the time probably spoke Aramaic.

During the Council the Church had the daunting task of actually going through scriptures and deciding which books were Holy enough to be added to the bible. How do you think the bible came to be, it just fell out of the sky?
We believe that the early church fathers were guided by the Holy Spirit to make the proper decisions on which books should be included in the final Bible.
Martin Luther took the deuterocanonical books out do to their conflicting teachings of a purgatory or prayers to the saints.