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Old 12-06-2015, 11:34 PM
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I noticed that all the Tusks version have parts on them that were used in the final mix. It's like if you take all the versions and mix them together (minus a few things) you've got the final mix.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:52 AM
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JB Hi Fi are now showing the 5 disc box set not released in Australia until 23d December.
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Old 12-12-2015, 09:37 AM
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I'm simply in awe of the 5.1 mixes. It's like listening to the album on an entirely different plane. Transcendental. Im not joking either. It's brilliant and I wish you all could hear these mixes. Each song has parts and vocals we've never heard in any outtake or mix. "Sara" and "Tusk" are by far the standouts... but the entire thing is inspirational and beautiful!
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Old 12-12-2015, 12:16 PM
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Having just purchased the new Super deluxe edition, I must say this could be the best release that Fleetwood Mac has put out (in terms of deluxe treatments).

Highlights:

-The live recordings (essentially a full Tusk show) are outstanding! By far the best live songs put out by the band. It's amazing to hear them live in their prime (for someone who was born way too late to experience this). It would have been great to have included a live version of Think About Me from the tour, but this is a minor quibble. Every single live track is epic...certainly this is FM at their most raw and 'rockiest'. As I listen to each live track it feels like the creative energy in the band is exploding on stage, resulting in an epic 2 hour listening experience. Well done to the individuals responsible for putting together this live set.

-The Alternate takes are a gem. Normally, I find the demos and such on deluxe treatments to be a formality with little insight; I am always much more interested in getting a remastered version of the original record. However the 'Alternate Tusk' presents us with truly different versions of each song, allowing us to hear each track in it's most raw state. The alternate "Brown Eyes" is certainly the best out of the unreleased material, however I quite enjoy the alternate "Storms" and "Save Me A Place" as well.

-"Save Me A Place" has become an unexpected favourite for me since listening to the new release. I have to say that the final album mix does not do the song justice compared to the much more intimate alternate and live versions. I do hope that if FM tour again that we receive this song in the acoustic set...it is Lindsey at his most vulnerable.

-The packaging is absolutely beautiful. The essay and track notes are well worth the read.

-The Remastering: This is one of the best remasters I have ever heard (especially the 5.1 mix). The remastered album sounds incredible, and it is evident that a lot of time went into making this record shine. The remastering for this release (and the Rumours re-releae, quite frankly) should serve as an example for all engineers and mixers in the industry.

Above all, this release highlights the many talents in the band. I dare say that when you truly listen to "Tusk" it is not hyperbole to state that FM rivals The Beatles in terms of musicianship and songwriting ability. Christine, Stevie, and Lindsey each contribute such creative and sophisticated material throughout the album. If nothing else, this release emphasizes the force that is Lindsey Buckingham. "Tusk" (the album) is his greatest moment, and his ability to transfer his skill to the writing, musicianship, and recording of each other FM member is outstanding.

A great release. It is now more than evident that "Tusk" is the band's crowning achievement.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:36 PM
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Top 10 Reissues of 2015
By Michael Gallucci

The Top 10 reissues of 2015 include plenty of familiar classic-rock favorites. From the Beatles and the Rolling Stones to Led Zeppelin and Bruce Springsteen, the remastered and repackaged LPs on the above list represent many of the artists during their peak periods.

We’re long past the days when just a straight reissue of an old album passes off as something worth celebrating. So, most of the 10 records in this gallery include lots of extras to draw in longtime fans who’ve probably bought these LPs a half-dozen times since their original releases.

Whether it’s the alternate takes of classic songs found on the Stones’ expanded Sticky Fingers reissue and Bob Dylan‘s latest Bootleg Series box or the new versions of classic albums assembled on the Springsteen and Fleetwood Mac sets, the Top 10 reissues of 2015 take a specific period in time and break it down to the smallest details in meticulously crafted new collections.

The Ultimate Classic Rock staff voted on their favorite reissues of the past 12 months, we crunched the numbers and came up with 2015’s Top 10 — a sampling of classic rock’s golden years updated for modern times. Not so surprisingly, all of these recordings remain timeless listens, even after all these years.

4. Fleetwood Mac, 'Tusk: Deluxe Edition'
The follow-up to Fleetwood Mac's gajillion-selling 'Rumours' was deemed a failure when the double-LP set arrived in 1979. But it remains one of rock's most undervalued and rewarding records. This five-disc box includes an alternate version of the entire album, demos, outtakes and live cuts from the subsequent tour.



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Old 12-12-2015, 03:50 PM
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I have finally listened to the 5.1 DVD Audio mix...... Unbelieveable! I still need to listen to the Singles/ Demos Cd. This just makes me want the same exact treatment for Mirage, Tango, Mystery to Me, Heroes...... I can go on but you get where I'm going with this. Great stuff for the fans!

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This just makes me want the same exact treatment for Mirage, Tango, Mystery to Me, Heroes...... I can go on but you get where I'm going with his. Great stuff for the fans.
I have the same feeling. Makes me wonder how much material is laying around -- demos, alternate mixes, live takes, etc..

I wish they would release a thoroughly executed box set featuring the middle, transitional period of the band - Kiln House, Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin, Mystery to Me, and Heroes are Hard to Find. I'd hope that each album could contain lots of bonus material, photos, quotes and extensive liner notes.
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Old 12-12-2015, 05:00 PM
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I'm simply in awe of the 5.1 mixes. It's like listening to the album on an entirely different plane. Transcendental. Im not joking either. It's brilliant and I wish you all could hear these mixes. Each song has parts and vocals we've never heard in any outtake or mix. "Sara" and "Tusk" are by far the standouts... but the entire thing is inspirational and beautiful!
A 5.1 speaker setup is on my to-do list for 2016. I have the amp for it, but right now I'm using old-school 48-inch floor speakers that were given to me a few years ago.

I'll still play the DVD through the speakers I have, but not sure what I'll be hearing.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:49 AM
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By Jeff Burger The Morton Report

http://www.themortonreport.com/enter...eluxe-edition/
Album Review: Fleetwood Mac - Tusk (Deluxe Edition)

December 11, 2015

Though Tusk received generally positive reviews when it appeared in 1979, the prevailing view seems to be that it paled alongside its huge-selling immediate predecessors, 1975’s Fleetwood Mac and 1977’s Rumours. The consensus was that Lindsey Buckingham had taken over the group and buried its shimmering pop under layers of less-accessible experimental music.

Fleetwood Mac’s label was reportedly not happy and, on Tusk’s atypical “The Ledge,” a New York Times essayist recently wrote, “you can practically hear the record executives shrieking in the background.” Critics did a bit of shrieking as well. All Music Guide proclaimed that Buckingham “subverts pop-rock” on the double LP, which is “as weird as mainstream pop can get.” Rolling Stone, meanwhile, opined that “the bulk of Tusk sounds cold and fussy next to the emotional heat of Rumours” and that the title tune is Fleetwood Mac’s “Revolution 9,” a reference to John Lennon’s abstruse electronic track on the Beatles’ “White Album.”

Comments like these help to qualify Tusk as one of the most underrated records in rock history. In fact, while Fleetwood Mac and Rumours were terrific, the well-sequenced tracks on Tusk are more complex and adventurous, have aged at least as well, and are arguably just as accessible. Though it sold fewer copies than those earlier LPs, the album did after all attract four million buyers, spend 37 weeks on the charts (where it reached number four), and spawn two hit singles. As for “emotional heat,” you can’t get much hotter than Tusk’s “Sara” and “Storms,” both from Stevie Nicks, or Buckingham’s beat-crazy title cut, a gripping portrait of jealousy and paranoia that has garnered a whole lot more airplay than “Revolution 9” ever did.

While Buckingham provided nine of the 20 tracks, moreover, his songwriting contributions to Tusk are outnumbered by the combined efforts of Christine McVie (six songs) and Stevie Nicks (five); and their lilting, addictive melodies and magnificent vocals are just as inviting as anything on the earlier albums. In fact, most of their songs here would fit right in on Rumours, as would Buckingham’s “Not That Funny” and several of his other tunes.

Now, 36 years after its release, Tusk has received the reissue it deserves. One can only hope it will also prompt an equally deserved reassessment. The album may be somewhat less of a sequel to its predecessors than a departure, but Buckingham’s inventive songs and production mark him as a latter-day Brian Wilson, while Nicks and Christine McVie sing like angels throughout. John McVie’s bass adds immeasurably to the mix, as does Mick Fleetwood’s drumming, which sounds like what you’d hear from Ringo if he were a little more manic.

If you want an example of a reissue done right, at any rate, look no further than this “deluxe edition,” which includes five CDs, an audio DVD, and two vinyl LPs. The LPs and one of the CDs offer a 2015 remaster of the original album. Another CD features singles, outtakes, and session work from the Tusk sessions, and still another delivers what’s labeled as “The Alternate Tusk,” with outtakes of each track presented in the same order as the numbers on the original record. Two more CDs preserve 21 previously unreleased performances from the concert tour that followed Tusk’s release, while the DVD contains a surround-sound mix and an audiophile stereo version of the original album.

Supplementing all this material is an oversized, well-illustrated 24-page booklet that includes a lengthy essay about the making of the record and the real-life romantic entanglements that fueled it. Also in the booklet are the aforementioned New York Times essay; comments on each track by members of the group; and complete lyrics, track listings, and credits.

Budget-conscious fans might be tempted to eschew this everything-but-the-kitchen-sink package in favor of a more modestly priced three-CD “expanded edition,” which includes only the remastered original album and the two discs with singles, outtakes, and alternate versions. My advice: this is not the place to economize. With a few exceptions, the singles, outtakes, and alternate versions are not particularly revelatory; the most compelling goodies here are the high-energy two-disc tour document and the DVD audio disc. The former incorporates many of the songs from the album at hand (including a knockout version of “Sara”), plus fine readings of classics from Fleetwood Mac and Rumours, including “Say You Love Me,” “Rhiannon,” “You Make Loving Fun,” “Landslide,” and “Go Your Own Way.”

As for the DVD, it makes Tusk sound far better than it does in stereo. You’ll appreciate things you may never have heard clearly before, such as the Beatlesque instrumentation that underlies “What Makes You Think You’re the One” and the smooth-as-silk harmony vocals that enhance Stevie Nicks’s performance on “Storms.” If you’re a fan of the band, this DVD may actually offer sufficient reason to buy not only the “deluxe edition” of Tusk but a 5.1 audio system as well.
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Old 12-13-2015, 03:20 AM
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The LPs and one of the CDs offer a 2015 remaster of the original album...
Did we ever find this out for sure?

Tonight was my first listen of disc one. I thought it
sounded great. Haven't compared it to the '04 remaster
yet.

I had been hoping that I Know I'm Not Wrong* would be the
same as on my original LP. But that's not the case. Maybe that's one
of the outtakes or different versions?

I've been trying to avoid spoilers, but just wanted to know about
that particular song*.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:18 AM
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Have typed up all the liner notes - the background to the album and the track-by-track. Just for ease of reference.

http://www.buckinghamnicks.info/tusk-1979
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I had been hoping that I Know I'm Not Wrong* would be the
same as on my original LP. But that's not the case. Maybe that's one
of the outtakes or different versions?

I've been trying to avoid spoilers, but just wanted to know about
that particular song*.
What version is it then? I listenend to it on spotify and it's not the alternate cd/04-remaster-version.
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Old 12-13-2015, 09:22 AM
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Have typed up all the liner notes - the background to the album and the track-by-track. Just for ease of reference.

http://www.buckinghamnicks.info/tusk-1979
Thanks for sharing your link, good stuff!!
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Old 12-13-2015, 09:37 AM
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I still wish they chose another performance of Sara, where Christine played the "great dark wing" and "hold on the night is coming" parts normally. That's my favorite part of that song and the performance they chose doesn't have enough piano prominence for me. Still an awesome performance, the soundboard people just should have turned up the piano. The other live performances on the Tusk Deluxe are awesome too, but they should have used more 1979 shows when the band was more fresh and less worn out.
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Did we ever find this out for sure?

Tonight was my first listen of disc one. I thought it
sounded great. Haven't compared it to the '04 remaster
yet.

I had been hoping that I Know I'm Not Wrong* would be the
same as on my original LP. But that's not the case. Maybe that's one
of the outtakes or different versions?

I've been trying to avoid spoilers, but just wanted to know about
that particular song*.
I get the feeling that they have included a bunch of stuff from unused tracks to surround you with the music in the 5.1 versions. In the case of I Know I'm Not Wrong they used elements from both the original version of the album and parts from the CD version. I don't have a 5.1 surround set up so I'm currently listening to it through my flatscreen TV (which still has great stereo sound) and the mix sounds way more even than when it first came to CD. The extra background vocals, that harmonica part in the instrumental break, Stevie's harmonies, all sound much more blended than on the original CD where they split the original mix and the remix into two separate channels.
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