Giuliani 08

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^^

Yep - the rich (however you arbitrarily define that) apparently never donate to anything you approve of - so they are all a$$holes and no one better say anything different because you know better and any discusssion that they might donate to a worthy cause every now and then when the spirit moves them automatically make the sayer of that an elitist calling for a free pass to the inherently greedy and uncaring rich

Thus, I think the apparently inherently evil rich should stop all donations right now lest they meet with your disapproval and donate for the wrong reasons

BTW - in case you did not know this or could not be bothered to research it due to the automatic venom produced by the thought of the rich doing something good - almost all of those universities you so readily bash have hospitals and other programs that administer to the poor on a regular basis, many have medical research programs that benefit society as a whole, and they have scholarship and outreach programs to help the needy at all levels, which fails to support your hastily drawn and incorrect point

On a more personal note, just look at one of our large local charities - AID Atlanta, which clearly administers to the poor and downtrodden in many ways, including education for prevention. A little over 36% (totaling $2,020,857) of its budget comes from the AIDS walk, private donations, and foundations, which are all a form of individual giving as seen here http://www.aidatlanta.org/aboutus/financials.shtml That is a huge amount of money from people when you consider how many charities are competing for that money.

In the end, it is your automatic assumption that the rich never do anything to help the poor that I find incorrect and clearly unsupported by the facts, though IMO they can and should do more.

What I said was, those donations benefit the middle class NOT the poorest of the poor. Most every donation you listed was for schools or environmental preservation (which is a good thing actually) but again, none of those donations went to the poorest. What about money for the homeless? not in your list. money for single moms to pay for childcare? not in your list. money to subsidize transportation? not on your list. things that poor people could actually USE????? NOT ON YOUR LIST. I repeat not. on. your. list.

EDIT: I stand corrected. there is ONE person whose donations actually make sense:

Joan B. Kroc—a bequest of $1.91 billion to 10 organizations. Kroc, who died on Oct. 12, 2003, at age 75, was the widow of Ray A. Kroc, the founder of the McDonald's Corp. Her gifts were: $1.5 billion to the Salvation Army, in Alexandria, Va., to construct and endow up to 50 recreational and educational facilities across the United States; $200 million to National Public Radio to support the network's operating reserves and endowment; $60 million to Ronald McDonald House Charities to be distributed to its programs worldwide; $50 million to the University of Notre Dame to support the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies; $50 million to the University of San Diego to establish the Joan B. Kroc School of Peace Studies at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice; $20 million to San Diego Hospice and Palliative Care to support its programs and services; $10 million to the San Diego Opera to support artistic programming; $5 million to KPBS radio and television, in San Diego, to establish an endowment and operating reserve and create a capital-equipment fund; $5 million to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Diego to build a high school; and $500,000 to Mama's Kitchen, a meal-delivery service in San Diego for people with AIDS. Before her death, Kroc gave $5 million to the University of San Diego to endow a lecture series at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice.

aside from that....I dont see much for you to praise your vaunted elites for.

oh and this:

almost all of those universities you so readily bash have hospitals and other programs that administer to the poor on a regular basis,

is a red herring. Those oh-so-humanitarian Universities? They dont take Medi-Cal. (or whatever your State funded insurance is called). So, they are really NOT helping the poor. The families they DO help go into hock to pay for those services and you read the sob stories in the paper all the time and how the towns take up donations for the families......not MY idea of helping the poor--oh NO.

btw: I was not bashing the Universities in my earlier post, I was pointing out that the donations you are so proud of arent helping the poor because you dont see many welfare recipients in University classrooms. (a few, maybe)
What I was trying to point out, (and you ignored) was that these donations arent taking a form that really helps the neediest.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by sparky

Ann Coulter.... (a) person who essentially is spraying the same kind of "I am right because I am a conservative and you are wrong because you are not" garbage (that Coulter sprays with abandon) that has produced a political system that is essentially at a standstill.

People like her are not idea people, they are provocateurs and most of all celebrities. They rabble rouse and shout loudly not to solve problems, but to create their own cults of personality that will perpetuate their own wealth and notoriety and help no one but themselves and their employees.

Hear that, Sparky? That's the sound of loud cheering coming your way from Pennsylvania.

You absolutely hit the nail on the head with the above quote.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

What I said was, those donations benefit the middle class NOT the poorest of the poor. Most every donation you listed was for schools or environmental preservation (which is a good thing actually) but again, none of those donations went to the poorest. What about money for the homeless? not in your list. money for single moms to pay for childcare? not in your list. money to subsidize transportation? not on your list. things that poor people could actually USE????? NOT ON YOUR LIST. I repeat not. on. your. list.

EDIT: I stand corrected. there is ONE person whose donations actually make sense:


aside from that....I dont see much for you to praise your vaunted elites for.

oh and this:

is a red herring. Those oh-so-humanitarian Universities? They dont take Medi-Cal. (or whatever your State funded insurance is called). So, they are really NOT helping the poor. The families they DO help go into hock to pay for those services and you read the sob stories in the paper all the time and how the towns take up donations for the families......not MY idea of helping the poor--oh NO.

btw: I was not bashing the Universities in my earlier post, I was pointing out that the donations you are so proud of arent helping the poor because you dont see many welfare recipients in University classrooms. (a few, maybe)
What I was trying to point out, (and you ignored) was that these donations arent taking a form that really helps the neediest.

Hey - here is a newsflash

Mary is always correct no matter the facts

BTW - the point was they donate and donate big.

But whatever, you are going to hate them no matter what and you know damn good and well that really rich people give billions a year - but you will never admit that

So -

Oh Danny Boy

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Hear that, Sparky? That's the sound of loud cheering coming your way from Pennsylvania.

You absolutely hit the nail on the head with the above quote.

No actually he didn't! I wasn't going to bring this up just because it would sound sort of trite but...let's review...what exactly Ann HAS contributed to politics, law, etc...

Coulter is the legal correspondent for Human Events and writes a popular syndicated column for Universal Press Syndicate. She is a frequent guest on many TV shows, including Hannity and Colmes, Wolf Blitzer Reports, At Large With Geraldo Rivera, Scarborough Country, HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, The O'Reilly Factor, Good Morning America and has been profiled in numerous publications, including TV Guide, the Guardian (UK), the New York Observer, National Journal, Harper's Bazaar, and Elle magazine, among others. She was named one of the top 100 Public Intellectuals by federal judge Richard Posner in 2001.

Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates. <---- She was actually in Washington helping work on a lot of the legislation that was going on at the time. Yea she really has no clue about what is going on.

After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion.

A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.

Not only that but of course she was one of a handful of informal legal advisers helping Paula Jones. Ann interviewed Jones and helped write her legal briefs...all this while still working on other cases AND putting together her book "High Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Case Against Bill Clinton". When reporters asked David Schippers, the House Judiciary Committee's chief investigator, for a "road map" to the impeached inquiry, he told them, "Read Ann Coulter's book."

People are always knocking Ann as an "idiot" or blowing her off for her "lack of knowledge", yet they are quick to give a college dropout like Michael Moore praise. I mean Ann Coulter was a constitutional lawyer for God sakes...I think she knows a little bit of what she is talking about.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

No actually he didn't! I wasn't going to bring this up just because it would sound sort of trite but...let's review...what exactly Ann HAS contributed to politics, law, etc...

Coulter is the legal correspondent for Human Events and writes a popular syndicated column for Universal Press Syndicate. She is a frequent guest on many TV shows, including Hannity and Colmes, Wolf Blitzer Reports, At Large With Geraldo Rivera, Scarborough Country, HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, The O'Reilly Factor, Good Morning America and has been profiled in numerous publications, including TV Guide, the Guardian (UK), the New York Observer, National Journal, Harper's Bazaar, and Elle magazine, among others. She was named one of the top 100 Public Intellectuals by federal judge Richard Posner in 2001.

That's all well and good, but she's not a frequent guest on the only show that really matters.

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates. <---- She was actually in Washington helping work on a lot of the legislation that was going on at the time. Yea she really has no clue about what is going on.

After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion.

A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.

Not only that but of course she was one of a handful of informal legal advisers helping Paula Jones. Ann interviewed Jones and helped write her legal briefs...all this while still working on other cases AND putting together her book "High Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Case Against Bill Clinton". When reporters asked David Schippers, the House Judiciary Committee's chief investigator, for a "road map" to the impeached inquiry, he told them, "Read Ann Coulter's book."

People are always knocking Ann as an "idiot" or blowing her off for her "lack of knowledge", yet they are quick to give a college dropout like Michael Moore praise. I mean Ann Coulter was a constitutional lawyer for God sakes...I think she knows a little bit of what she is talking about.

Pffft. She's a dolt. Case closed.

She can have all the book smarts in the world, but none of it really matters because she lacks common sense. I think it's cute that she gives you a stiffy, but your naive view of her is nothing but laughable.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's all well and good, but she's not a frequent guest on the only show that really matters.

ohhh yea...what's that show? the one with the albino....

Pffft. She's a dolt. Case closed.

oh, good argument.

She can have all the book smarts in the world, but none of it really matters because she lacks common sense. I think it's cute that she gives you a stiffy, but your naive view of her is nothing but laughable.

You're right it compares nothing to the stiffy you receive from what's his name?...you know the albino....

The woman is a legal genius. Case closed. And anyone who has worked for the Center for Individual Rights and helped to try and dismantle affirmative action laws is a hero in my book.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's all well and good, but she's not a frequent guest on the only show that really matters.



Pffft. She's a dolt. Case closed.

She can have all the book smarts in the world, but none of it really matters because she lacks common sense. I think it's cute that she gives you a stiffy, but your naive view of her is nothing but laughable.

Remember dear - the war in Iraq is going magnificantly and Max Cleland's losing three limbs off of the battle field in Vietnam (where he was decorated) was an irrelevant and fortunate loss for him

BTW - why hasn't she commented on no one remembering W at all in AL, after he was sent there for a cushy job after he lost his pilot's license that he obtained purportedly to serve his country with honor - oh I forgot, no bashing of W in the sow's world

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

People are always knocking Ann as an "idiot" or blowing her off for her "lack of knowledge" they give a college dropout like Michael Moore praise. I mean Ann Coulter was a constitutional lawyer for God sakes...I think she knows a little bit of what she is talking about.

You've missed the point. No one has said that Ms. Coulter lacks intelligence, but if she is aware of "the facts," then she is most certainly ignoring them and/or twisting them to suit her needs.

And how ever impressive her credentials may be, what has she done lately to HELP our country?
Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Ms. Coulter is, exactly as Sparky said, a self-aggrandizing opportunist who has made a name for herself by being loud, obnoxious, aggressive and by pandering to the lowest common denominator in her search for fame.

She doesn't care about the state of our country any more than I care if the Steelers go to the Super Bowl. She merely enjoys hearing herself talk, and relishing in the fame and notoriety her shocking statements and viewpoints bring her.

You seem like a nice guy, Brandon. My advice would be to start forming your own opinions, one way or the other, based on factual information, and not on the rhetoric that spews forth from the mouths and pens of megalomaniacal, fame-seeking talking heads.
They're not looking to enlighten you or me, or to make our country a better place, they're simply looking to sell more copies of their next book.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Remember dear - the war in Iraq is going magnificently and Max Cleland's losing three limbs off of the battle field in Vietnam (where he was decorated) was an irrelevant and fortunate loss for him

Taking things out of context...that can be fun...except you criticize her for doing the exact same thing!

BTW - why hasn't she commented on no one remembering W at all in AL, after he was sent there for a cushy job after he lost his pilot's license that he obtained purportedly to serve his country with honor - oh I forgot, no bashing of W in the sow's world

You have no common knowledge do you? And you obviously haven't read her new column where she refers to Bush as being arrogant and talks about his "boozing" past! It just shows how LITTLE you know about Ann...Or anything for that matter!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

ohhh yea...what's that show? the one with the albino....

Most definitely. One of the rare shows with actual news that's unbiased. What a concept.

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

The woman is a legal genius. Case closed. And anyone who has worked for the Center for Individual Rights and helped to try and dismantle affirmative action laws is a hero in my book.

If she's a genius, I'm a former revolutionary from the Symbionese Liberation Army. It's a shame that your standards are so low, but that's your deal.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

. . . I'm a former revolutionary from the Symbionese Liberation Army . . . .

Well then get Patty to introduce you to John and, be real good and get a bit part in the next movie

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Ms. Coulter is, exactly as Sparky said, a self-aggrandizing opportunist who has made a name for herself by being loud, obnoxious, aggressive and by pandering to the lowest common denominator in her search for fame.

Eric Alterman wrote a fantastic piece about her and the days when they used to work at MSRNC together, I'll have to find it. She is one nasty piece of work; a true narcissist.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And how ever impressive her credentials may be, what has she done lately to HELP our country?
Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Ms. Coulter is, exactly as Sparky said, a self-aggrandizing opportunist who has made a name for herself by being loud, obnoxious, aggressive and by pandering to the lowest common denominator in her search for fame.

News flash...ANN IS A CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR! It is NOW her job to give commentary on politics...gee...

She doesn't care about the state of our country any more than I care if the Steelers go to the Super Bowl. She merely enjoys hearing herself talk, and relishing in the fame and notoriety her shocking statements and viewpoints bring her.



You seem like a nice guy, Brandon. My advice would be to start forming your own opinions, one way or the other, based on factual information, and not on the rhetoric that spews forth from the mouths and pens of megalomaniacal, fame-seeking talking heads.
They're not looking to enlighten you or me, or to make our country a better place, they're simply looking to sell more copies of their next book.

Trust me when I say I have well formed opinions and do not solely rely on Ann, as much as I admire her. I spend most of my weekdays watching, reading news and politics and know pretty much all that is going on around me in the world and form opinions based on this information. It just so happens that Ann and myself see eye to eye on a lot of issues...what's that saying? Great minds....

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by dissention

Eric Alterman wrote a fantastic piece about her and when they used to work at MSRNC together, I'll have to find it. She is one nasty piece of work; a true narcissist.

And why is it that ANYONE (well except for you guys) would believe ANYTHING he would write?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And why is it that ANYONE (well except for you guys) would believe ANYTHING he would write?

And why is it that ANYONE (except for you and the other delusional freepers) would believe ANYTHING Coulter would write?