Will LB redeem himself on Leno

[wondergirl9847]

Geez. They both sounded not so great, but it seems that the peeps at the actual show LOVED IT and didn't care one ioda about the bad opening note for GYOW. Lindsey has played GYOW a TRAZILLION times, ONE time he hits a foul note (maybe due to cold) and everyone says:

IT'S ALL OVER, HE CAN'T SING OR PLAY GUITAR!!!

Gimme a frickin break.

Stevie's Rhiannon was lackluster and boring. GYOW was not great, but the solo sounded alright to me. BUT, PK and most of all, SYW were TERRIFIC and they BOTH sounded GREAT on those songs. SYW was the LAST song they did and it sounded the best, probably due to them warming up during the other songs.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I heard him play SYHA on that video on the SYW CD and OMG, he sounded frickin AMAZING..his voice is NOT gone and his guitar skills are AWESOME!!!!

Stevie hit high notes on SYW that surprised the frick outta me, so her voice, although not as flexible as in the past, but still unique and interesting, is NOT gone either.

He doesn't have to redeem himself, NONE of them do. JMHO.

[Mad4stevie]

Now, I am not a musician, so I don't really know first hand how the cold can affect the voice and instruments, but . . . it did worry me that Lindsey's voice was pretty rough on GYOW. I guess it made me think of The Dance performance of the same song - and it seemed like his voice was straining then, too. I guess it seems like his voice isn't as strong as it used to be. Its not that it is a bad thing, but it does sound different. As does Stevie's voice.

I have never seen the Mac live (but have seen Stevie live), so these perceptions are based on video or TV performances. Maybe it is different live - I will find out on May 19th!!

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by jwys_soapbox
Enough worrying about Lindsey! What about Stevie? Do any of you remember how many shows were either canceled or shortened-up because of illness during her last tour? The entire time I watched that Today performance I was thinking why the hell are they doing this? Stevie's gonna get another bug and be ill all tour!!

I'm still sweating about that!

John

I'm worried about this too. But I think that if Stevie thought it would be a problem, then she would not have allowed them to make such an ambitious tour schedule. Maybe she was legitimately sick during the TISL tour?

And guys...

STOP WORRYING ABOUT LINDSEY!!! I wish someone else who was there would back me up on this, but he sounded great in person! The crowd was loving it! He has not lost his voice. If anything was to blame it was definatly the early hour and the cold. I don't care who says it wasn't cold... it was 35 degrees and anyone who knows how the wind blows in NYC, which is surrounded completely by water, will tell you that the wind chill must have felt like 15! Give them a break!

[sulamith]

I don't think any of us think they need to redeem themselves, but there is concern that the passing music fan may base opinions on that one thing, esp. since some of us had experiences with co-workers making jerky comments.

I wanted to pinch that co-worker of mine's nose off!

The upside of that is, more tickets and standing room for us, right? lol!

-Sharon

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by sulamith
I don't think any of us think they need to redeem themselves, but there is concern that the passing music fan may base opinions on that one thing, esp. since some of us had experiences with co-workers making jerky comments.

I wanted to pinch that co-worker of mine's nose off!

The upside of that is, more tickets and standing room for us, right? lol!

-Sharon

I know - I am just "glad" (?) someone else got "blindsided" by this like I was. Again, I am not in anyway bashing LB for his performance, I am just saying I was stunned at casual fans' vehement reactions and opinions and the fear that if many others also feel this way after seeing the Today show (which almost everyone pretty much agrees did not come across on the t.v. as a stellar peformance), then, that does not bode well for sales (concert or CD). Hopefully, that will not happen on Leno and LB wll tear it up as we all know he can do. That is all I am saying.

[Regina]

A couple of sour notes won't kill a career or a reputation. I actually heard two semi-fans say the same type of thing about the televised performance of GYOW. But, I think any redeeming that needed to be done was done with the next three songs they performed that day because there were no complaints or snarky comments from them about anything that happened afterwards.

As for GYOW, maybe they did hit the wrong chord at the beginning. The song they played just before they got FM on the air--during the final soundcheck--was Peacekeeper and it was great. Flawless. I was very surprised to then hear GYOW as their opening song.
And if someone mistakenly hit the opening notes to Peacekeeper--it would explain both the look Lindsey turned around to give the background musicians (Kind of like a "what the hell is that?" look) and also would explain why, when Matt Lauer asked Stevie what the next song would be, and she answered Peacekeeper, she turned around and mouthed to Lindsey "I hope."

And even if the cold wasn't a factor, or the fact that in a lot of pictures Lindsey is holding a balled up tissue in his hand (indicating he might have had a case of the sniffles), or that they might have flubbed up--and it was JUST a case of an off-half a song (and really, I think you can't condemn the whole song as being off--at most, it was just half a song)--BFD.
It happens.

No one is perfect all the time.
And if people don't want to buy the album because of that--or decides to sell their tickets on ebay--their loss.

I was one of the people who absolutely hated Lindsey's version of Here Comes the Sun but I never thought, on the basis of how he decided to interpret the song, that he was washed up or lost his musical genius. Same goes for Stevie's choices or flubs. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the music. And live music is like live theater, it's risky and imperfect and when the right people are involved--it's damned wonderful.

[wondergirl9847]

It was said here on the Ledge that Lindsey picked up a tissue thrown at him from a fan...wiped his nose, then gave it back to the fan!!! LMAO!!!!! Is this true, I KNOW I read it somewhere here! THAT IS GREATNESS!!! Think it will show up on Ebay anytime soon?

NO, I don't wanna buy it, I'm just curious WHY he did that!! LOL

[dissention]

They have lost a lot of the ooomph in their voices in past years. Which is why I find it ridiculous that they will even try to charge over $100 in ticket prices for not-so-great performances.

Stevie is what I'm talking about here. Anyone else notice that right after AHI 2000, her voice went downhill fast? She sounds absolutely horrid live nowadays. Rhiannon on Friday wasn't too bad, but they need to pack it in; it sucks nowadays. She was stupefyingly awful on the TISL tour (until the end of the tour when she began to sound good). Then she sounded great at Walden Woods, but now she sounds lousy from the Dateline rehearsal clips. She just stands there and sings in this monotone voice. A cow's moo after being tipped would get a better reaction from moi! I just don't think she's up to snuff live presently. Don't expect to see songs like EBO or RTTG because she won't even TRY to sing these songs for fear that she could strain her voice and not be monotonal the next night! Hopefully my thoughts will change though!

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by dissention
They have lost a lot of the ooomph in their voices in past years. Which is why I find it ridiculous that they will even try to charge over $100 in ticket prices for not-so-great performances.

Stevie is what I'm talking about here. Anyone else notice that right after AHI 2000, her voice went downhill fast? She sounds absolutely horrid live nowadays. Rhiannon on Friday wasn't too bad, but they need to pack it in; it sucks nowadays. She was stupefyingly awful on the TISL tour (until the end of the tour when she began to sound good). Then she sounded great at Walden Woods, but now she sounds lousy from the Dateline rehearsal clips. She just stands there and sings in this monotone voice. A cow's moo after being tipped would get a better reaction from moi! I just don't think she's up to snuff live presently. Don't expect to see songs like EBO or RTTG because she won't even TRY to sing these songs for fear that she could strain her voice and not be monotonal the next night! Hopefully my thoughts will change though!

Well in that case, with any luck, she'll start taking lip sync-ing classes. Maybe then we won't have to be subject to this and she'll be able to immortalize herself, stop the aging process, and entertain us almost as much as some people half her age do, like Britney, or if we're lucky, maybe even like Christina! Then, instead of being forced to listen to her 'moo' the notes out each night, our $100 can be better spent on a troupe back-up dancers for the tour who are all dressed up as a coven of witches gyrating marvelously to a techno version of Rhiannon. There could even be pyrotechnics! Maybe the coven dancers could jump out of a flaming cauldron? The possibilities are really endless. She should consult with Madonna. I think I'm on to something here!

[dissention]

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
Well in that case, with any luck, she'll start taking lip sync-ing classes. Maybe then we won't have to be subject to this and she'll be able to immortalize herself, stop the aging process, and entertain us almost as much as some people half her age do, like Britney, or if we're lucky, maybe even like Christina! Then, instead of being forced to listen to her 'moo' the notes out each night, our $100 can be better spent on a troupe back-up dancers for the tour who are all dressed up as a coven of witches gyrating marvelously to a techno version of Rhiannon. There could even be pyrotechnics! Maybe the coven dancers could jump out of a flaming cauldron? The possibilities are really endless. She should consult with Madonna. I think I'm on to something here!

I like what I'm hearing! Maybe she could set up stripper poles on each side of the stage and then right in the center a big ole' mud wrestling pit! The winner wins an autographed chiffon thong!

[seteca]

Originally posted by BlueGrass
Yeah, it sounded like the beginning of Peacekeeper.

Yes, listening to it again I am now 99% sure what happened was that for a split second Lindsey played the intro. to Peacekeeper. To be precise, he plays the first note and doesn't even finish the second note before he realises that it's the wrong song and he immediately switches to the F chord for GYOW. Of all the mistakes made in the history of live performances, I can't think of a more excusable one: it was SEVEN in the MORNING, it was FREEZING, it was their FIRST song, the count-in for Peacekeeper sounds VERY similar to the one for GYOW, and Peacekeeper was the one song they had to do an additional sound-check for (for whatever reason) so it was the last one they had soundchecked and would have been on his mind. So he played the intro to Peacekeeper for about 1 second before realising that he had made a mistake....BIG DEAL!!!....In fact, I am very IMPRESSED at the speed with which he realised his mistake and then subsequently changed immediately to the correct chord - I don't think a single person in the audience even noticed that "mistake".

As for being "off key"...why are people saying it like he was singing in C instead of F??? He was "off key" by what.....a quarter to half a step...at the MOST?? And for no longer than the first verse. First time they've performed in front of a totally unknown audience in 6 years, and it's at 7 in the morning in freezing windy conditions, I think MAYBE we should give the guy a break huh?!?!?

Other than a ONE NOTE, TOTALLY EXCUSABLE guitar slip-up, and a very slightly off-key first verse of the first song by Lindsey, the four of them delivered an exceptionally good performance given all the circumstances I've listed above.

If people are going to decide not to buy their album or go to their concert simply (and ridiculously!!!) by judging one member of a 36 year old OFFICIAL SUPER-BAND for the opening guitar note and first verse of a 4 song set performed under very difficult conditions, then I am GLAD: I wouldn't want them to own the album or see them in concert in the first place - they don't deserve it if they're going to be such judgemental stuck-up idiots. I would like to see such people's album collection anyway...what would be in it? No doubt I would find "80 minutes of perfect As to Gs in 35 different octaves".

The album IS absolutely AWESOME, all four members of the band are STILL absolutely AWESOME, and this tour will be AWESOME!!!!! And you know what...that's not "just my humble opinion"...that's a FACT!!!! SUE ME if you think otherwise!

[tothegypsy]

My Mom is just a casual fan, and without me even asking her what she thought, she told me that Lindsey didn't sound so great, but every time Stevie came in it sounded fine. I'm not trying to fan any flames, just offering more input in regards to the opinion of casual fans.

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by seteca


As for being "off key"...why are people saying it like he was singing in C instead of F??? He was "off key" by what.....a quarter to half a step...at the MOST?? And for no longer than the first verse. First time they've performed in front of a totally unknown audience in 6 years, and it's at 7 in the morning in freezing windy conditions, I think MAYBE we should give the guy a break huh?!?!?

Other than a ONE NOTE, TOTALLY EXCUSABLE guitar slip-up, and a very slightly off-key first verse of the first song by Lindsey, the four of them delivered an exceptionally good performance given all the circumstances I've listed above.

You're absolutely right! And that explanation makes a lot of sense. I think it's just the fact that it was the first note of the first song and therefore the first chord everyone heard was a big DISchord! lol First impressions tend to color and I think it rattled LB enough to throw him off vocally as well.

Note: The "almost-there" notes may be close to right, but the truth is, they still make you wince.

[Sarah]

Originally posted by seteca
As for being "off key"...why are people saying it like he was singing in C instead of F??? He was "off key" by what.....a quarter to half a step...at the MOST??

my theory teacher always said quarter tones are only important in oriental music anyway.. lol..

[DownOnRodeo]

You're forgetting the "Open up, when you won't take it from me" That one had even me balking Good for a laugh for a fan like me, but good for their sales and image??