"Don't Fu*K With My People!" - Page 2

tyshiria · #16 05-13-2002, 10:04 AM

i wanna hear it soooooooo bad! i love the fact that she said this! coke or no coke, she can curse if she wants to! sh*t, hell, damn! she's only human guys! yes she is STEVIE NICKS, but when she stubs her toe, i'm sure she calls that corner every name in the book except a child of God! lmao!

cuss'em out stevie! or let me do it lol!

mimi

The Tower · #17 05-13-2002, 01:48 PM

I definitely liked the coked up Stevie better than the klonopin Stevie. She had some great performances during her cocaine period.

With regard to songwriting, I don't think coke or booze really affected her writing one way or another. She was quite a vibrant songwriter until about '85. I think her songwriting degraded because she ran out of things to write about. Up until '85 almost all of the songs she recorded were written only by her. Afterwards, she started adding lyrics to others' music and doing songs that she had no involvement with as a writer at all. I don't really count her collaberation with Sandy Stewart as a big departure for her.

On the other hand, I think klonopin REALLY affected her songwriting. Whereas coke and booze have a time-limited effect, prescription drugs affect one's whole body all the time. She may have partied hard with coke and booze, but would have had lucid times in which to write. With klonopin, the drug is deadening all the time. You can really notice the difference, especially with Street Angel.

I think it's cool that Stevie chewed out security, with or without profanity. I think concert security in general sucks ass. Anyone in charge that marginalizes security is doing well in my book.

I've heard a smoky-voiced demo of "Castaway" where at the beginning Stevie is cussing out someone (the engineer?? the producer???). I think she sez something about how great her and Sharon were doing and how the person in question was bringing them down. Hmmmm...

Oh well, Stevie is a human being just like the rest of us- profanity and all.

sara1998 · #18 05-13-2002, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by sodascouts

I don't understand the defensiveness on this issue. Surely we all believe that coke use is something one shouldn't do, right? Aren't we all glad she's off it? Does anyone really think that she NEEDED that stuff to be the person we all know and love? That it was a good thing she got so hooked on it that she got a hole in her nose, which not only was detrimental to her singing voice but also nearly killed her?

I know the answer must be no, so what's the problem?

And did anyone really mean that they hated Stevie during the years she used coke - or just that they didn't like to see what she became when she was controlled by it? When her true personality was suppressed by it? I don't see how not liking it when she nearly falls off the stage because she's so high means we don't like Stevie.

No, it wasen't a good thing that she was hooked. However, would we have the same Stevie? I personally like Stevie just the way she is... ex-cocaine habit and all. No, people don't like to see her while she was bad. There is a lot of negativity about her past problem and everyone needs to realize that it's out of our hands. Why be so negative about it? It's all a part of what makes Stevie, Stevie. Who she became when she was on it is still the Stevie Nicks we love... it may not be the absolute best of her, but it's a part that of her that still makes her up.

Maria

Just my opinion.

Arizona Ranger · #19 05-14-2002, 11:48 AM

One thing I have to say is that Stevie had the guts to face the fact that it was her own personal problem and never used a spin doctor to explain it away like the Hollywood Prima Donna's like to do....

She faced the problem, dealt with it, and grew stronger in doing so......

She also proved she was a human being like the rest of us !!!

Rock On Gold Dust Woman !!!

FiercestCalmSea · #20 05-14-2002, 04:33 PM

As odd as this may sound,that clip made me like Stevie even more :P I think it has to do with the fact that she doesn't swear in her songs,nor is she really mean or hateful...and i mean...everyone gets pissed sometimes...and there is nothing wrong with showing it...so when i heard that i was kinda like "yea..Stevie...you tell them where to go". Seeing as it has not happend since then,I am sure the drugs played a part...but again..that is just another example of how she is just a person like you and me..we are human..we have downfalls..it is all in how we deal with them that matters....I can't say i am glad she ever did drugs...but whose to say her performances(Rhiannon,for example)..would have been as amazing...the things we do shape who we are,for good and bad...there is no need to get all defensive about it...Stevie has always been very honest about that kind of stuff...she doesn't try hide it...she is who she is and you can take her or leave her...I'd personally fall over if she ever swore in concert again..but i'd still be a fan

ejof17 · #21 05-14-2002, 06:09 PM

No one can stand her when she was doped up, coked up, sedated and drugged, yet she was that way for 18 years of her career, 10 on cocaine and brandy, 8 on klonopin. If you hated her so much when she was like that, then what do you like about her? Her last 5 years from The Dance to TISL must be all you liked.

Ummm....I don't think Stevie was quite that affected for all 18 years. Yes she used, but the effects were not as evident as at the end of those periods (i.e. Rock A Little tour and Street Angel album) Certainly Stevie is human and should be free to defend anyone and speak her mind, I don't think anyone here is saying she shouldn't, but I think it is safe to say she would not want to tell the story of HAEWAFY by stating that Joe Walsh is "just some guy that isn't important". The fact is she reached a point where she was in trouble and I am glad she saw her way through. I do enjoy her grounded image of late, but also equally appreciate the earlier periods. I think it is irresponsible to suggest that she drugs might have had something to do with her success/music/image, etc. as some have suggested here.

Sorcerer386 · #22 05-14-2002, 09:52 PM

I'm just going to refrain from answering some of these posts, because it's really too bad that some would hate Stevie's performances just because she was a little too into her drugs. That's all I'm going to say. You can rebutt all you want, I probably won't read them though. The woman did some of her best work and performances while hyped up on cocaine, and now that she's off of it, you want to say how awful it was. I mean, would you hate her now if she was still on cocaine? I know one recant will be "No, cause she'd be dead." Suspending disbelief, what if she were still on cocaine. I suppose those TISL performances that everyone loved would suddenly become such terrible and ridiculed things. Whatever...I just think it's ****ty.

tyshiria · #23 05-15-2002, 08:14 AM

just calm down. please don't start argueing over something that was sooooooooo a long time ago. it's over now. she's not putting that **** in her body anymore. she's beautiful and healthy and everything is just fine. ok?

good!

mimi

tommer · #24 05-15-2002, 09:28 AM

i don't see the issue here....
saying 'fu_k'?, as much as we don't always acknowledge this, after all, she's human and allowed to be one. everyone uses this word, many don't even need to be pissed to use it.
almost none of those who use it have the pleasure of being audiotaped every time their mouth opens. and that's the whole difference.
and as for the cocaine subject, the (sad) truth is, that for countless artists, drugs, as destructive as they initially were, were still catalists for producing their best art ever.
stevie nicks (the gold dust woman...) is an easy example, most of her best work (the entire era from rumours to tango in the night) was done under the influence.
like it or not- c'est la vie.

David · #25 05-15-2002, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by Sorcerer386
The woman did some of her best work and performances while hyped up on cocaine ...

I think so, too. I really dig the singer & performer from those years; she was incredibly charismatic. The best solo show I ever heard or saw Stevie give was in L.A. on the "Wild Heart" tour, October 2, 1983. She was thrilling. What she looked like & how she sang are still imprinted in my memory almost 20 years later. This is my time-machine performance--the one I'd most want to return to if given the chance. Stevie was amazing.

She was also as high as a kite. It was like being in the presence of someone who has bipolar disorder who is in the manic phase of the disorder: grandiose, expansive, press-of-speech, & very regal. Her singing of "Outside the Rain" & "Stand Back" & "How Still My Love" & "Rhiannon" was awesome, an uncanny performance I'll probably never forget. I used a clunky old tape recorder with used batteries in it, which began to lose their charge during my taping, so I really blew it on that one.

Stevie's had a very long career at this point, with a huge lot of songs, different vocal styles, different visual styles, etc. We've all probably got our favorite time & place for Stevie, & that specific '83 gig is mine.

ricohv · #26 05-15-2002, 11:26 AM

Wow...when I started this post I didn't know what a response it would get. I really just wanted to know more about the incident...I had no judgement on her drug use. I think it's interesting how black and white people are on this.

It's as if people want her to renounce her drug use and that she's only worthy as the recovered fairy godmother of rock that she is today. But, I like her bad girl side! I like that she lived in excess...learjets and mansions...dating most of the Eagles and 2/3 of the men of Fleetwood Mac..etc. etc. She knew she was leading the notorious pampered princess life/image and she perpetuated it.

Stevie has talked about the downfall of doing drugs but she has also said:
I'm not going to say that doing drugs wasn't fun, because it was, it just isn't good for you.

tyshiria · #27 05-15-2002, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by ricohv
Stevie has talked about the downfall of doing drugs but she has also said:
I'm not going to say that doing drugs wasn't fun, because it was, it just isn't good for you.

another reason y i love stevie!!! she does NOT lie to her fans! she always keeps it real!

where did you get this quote? i would love to read the interview.

mimi

Christopher · #28 05-15-2002, 11:46 AM

I think its just that the newer fans from the Dance till now, who have only witnessed Stevie in her sober wise woman of Rock era, may have a harder time hearing and seeing the wild hearted exploits of her earlier years.

I"ve been a fan for a long time I was a all of 13 when Bella Donna came out and so on, and I remeber just how "Spirited" Stevie once was....and why not....She was young, talented an beautiful.
I wish every young fan of today, could go back and witness a Stevie performance btwn 1981 -1986!!, It probably those performances and and recordings that have kept me a fan til-now.
I was at the Red rocks concert August of 86 while they recorded it, and was horrifired when I saw the edited version that hit cable and VHS a yr. and a half after the fact!....I'm sure they contimplated just burying the eveidence......and I also agree, the Klonopin years, is the time I think we really lost Stevie ......

Anyway I love the fact that Stevie is now sober and clean,(otherwise she probably wouldnt be here today) and the fact that she can record a cd like TISL is icing on the cake!...

Arizona Ranger · #29 05-15-2002, 11:47 AM

Hey....

William Holden, John Agar, Dana Andrews, and many other actors had a problem with alcohol but I still watch thier movies....

Bela Lugosi had problems with narcotics and booze but I still watch his flicks as well.....

Oliver Reed, well he could probably drink Stevie & Jim Morrison under the table in a chugging contest and I still think he was a great actor !!!

A lot of rock stars could put Stevie, Jimbo, and John Lennon to shame with their abuse of drugs & alcohol (i.e. Janis Joplin) but we still listen to thier music !!!!

We always remember the good about our favourite performers rather than the bad !!!!

Stevie Nicks rules and will rule even when Britney Spears is a washed up has been 10 years from now !!!

Oh BTW Ledgies, A friend of mine works at a NYC Nitespot where Britney and her posse came in and tried to get a drink. Britney's pals were served but Britney could'nt since she was underaged. She went off like a illtempered truck driver when the manager refused to let the Bar Maid serve her !!! She cursed up a storm and stamped out like a spoiled child

!!!!!!!

So much for being sweet & innocent !!!

ricohv · #30 05-15-2002, 01:07 PM

Hey Mimi: I'll have to dig and figure out where that interview is...I think it's on video..maybe Ent. Tonight from Enchanted int. 1998?

Hey Christopher: I was at Red Rocks too...I'm on tape at the very end just after the polar bear..I was at the two shows earlier in the summer ,too! I was playing a video of one of the TISL shows and this friend of mine said: I thought she was a lot more animated. What's the matter?

Well, he had only seen the Red Rocks video and Sisters of the Moon from the Mirage tour. I said : well it would be fun if she was still that animated but then again at 53 yrs old if she was that high to be that animated it might not be real flattering!