Lindsey reacts to Tusk

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

You have access to the book. For some reason I remember from one of his books that Stevie threw down the gauntlet about that verse. She protested so much to threaten to leave the band. I forget how Mick got her to calm down.
Please enlighten me

Yes, I remember what Mick wrote about that line, it was within the L&S breakup explanation.

Stevie and Lindsey broke up as well. To this day, I don't really know how it happened. I remember that Stevie went into the session" for the new album as a single lady, as did Chris. At the time, she said something in a joking way about Lindsey being more interested in his guitar than he was in her, and she got tired of it and left. There was some conflict, I recall, about the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line in "Go Your Own Way," which Stevie felt was unfair and Lindsey felt strongly about. Much later, Stevie made her perspective clear to me: ~

"Suppose Lindsey wasn't playing well on a particular song or something," she said. "As his girlfriend, I should be a comfort to him, right? You know: 'Who cares about it? You're great anyway!' I mean, that's what old ladies do for their men, right? But I couldn't, because I was also frustrated and saying, 'Look, if you could just get your guitar part tight, we could put the vocal on.' I'd be pissed off at him too. There was no way we could get any comfort from each other about what went on in the band. There was no love, because everybody was too nervous. And while we were traveling all the time, none of us had other friends to talk to...."

Stevie has also said that the relationship between her and Lindsey was already a bit rocky when they joined the band. As Stevie started to express herself more, as she became a star, things didn't get any better.

These were the less-than-ideal conditions under which Fleetwood Mac began to record our next album. People who knew us were agog. After all, it isn't so unusual for a couple in a band to break up. But both couples? And me? It was ironic. We were all in a state of total weirdness. We needed to be apart from each other in the worst way, but at the same time we had to work together. We were trying to let go personally and cling to each other professionally at the same time.

Breaking up the band was never even discussed. It was never an option. We just carried on. I can't remember one moment when it was suggested we not carry on.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, I remember what Mick wrote about that line, it was within the L&S breakup explanation.

Stevie and Lindsey broke up as well. To this day, I don't really know how it happened. I remember that Stevie went into the session" for the new album as a single lady, as did Chris. At the time, she said something in a joking way about Lindsey being more interested in his guitar than he was in her, and she got tired of it and left. There was some conflict, I recall, about the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line in "Go Your Own Way," which Stevie felt was unfair and Lindsey felt strongly about.

Now I remember the crackin' up, shackin' up line does not appear in the GYOW Early Take included in the Rumours Deluxe. He added it later. It would be interesting to know the sequence in which they started playing the songs during the album recording, to know when each of them heard the other's song. Was Dreams before GYOW? Or vice versa? Which came before or after SS? Even NGBA, which, although Lindsey implied in 1997 that it was about a different relationship, may not have been understood that way during the sessions.

At this point, yes we're tired of this drama. Maybe they don't have to tell us, but they should tell the screenwriters, as it would make the bio miniseries more accurate.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Now I remember the crackin' up, shackin' up line does not appear in the GYOW Early Take included in the Rumours Deluxe. He added it later. It would be interesting to know the sequence in which they started playing the songs during the album recording, to know when each of them heard the other's song. Was Dreams before GYOW? Or vice versa? Which came before or after SS? Even NGBA, which, although Lindsey implied in 1997 that it was about a different relationship, may not have been understood that way during the sessions.

At this point, yes we're tired of this drama. Maybe they don't have to tell us, but they should tell the screenwriters, as it would make the bio miniseries more accurate.

Perhaps it was a Stevie compromise. "Ok Lindsey can call me a slut but please don't call me a nut"

Have you seen the Stevie interview from 1994 where she alleges that Lindsey would turn to her every night just to sing that line.

[David]

Originally Posted by Villavic

It would be interesting to know the sequence in which they started playing the songs during the album recording, to know when each of them heard the other's song. Was Dreams before GYOW? Or vice versa?

I recall that we have an audience-made tape of GYOW at a December 1975 show (City Park, New Orleans), which was a few months before they even got to Sausalito. Allegedly, they spent some time rehearsing or recording in Miami in 1975, where they pulled GYOW together enough to try performing it.

Stevie didn’t start writing Dreams until they were at the Record Plant, so it must have come later than GYOW.

Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSbFyfjfE4

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by David

I recall that we have an audience-made tape of GYOW at a December 1975 show (City Park, New Orleans), which was a few months before they even got to Sausalito. Allegedly, they spent some time rehearsing or recording in Miami in 1975, where they pulled GYOW together enough to try performing it.

Stevie didn’t start writing Dreams until they were at the Record Plant, so it must have come later than GYOW.

Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSbFyfjfE4

And there he still sings but I can't instead of the problematic line.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

And there he still sings but I can't instead of the problematic line.

If GYOW was written and performed by 1975 reveals they broke up making The White album and their relationship was all but over by Rumours. Stevie got jealous and angry that Lindsey wrote World Turning together without her. GYOW appears to be written in real time about the break up. Dreams appears to be post break up along with the revenge of Silver Springs. But the soap opera of Rumours was not really about break ups but about working with ex's post break up. Since the 1975 and 1976 tour was long when was it they were no longer sharing a room? Or they never shared a hotel room on that tour since their relationship was over when the album was released. We need to know these details!!! Maybe the tour before the album's release they were still together but after the album's release it was over?

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

If GYOW was written and performed by 1975 reveals they broke up making The White album and their relationship was all but over by Rumours. Stevie got jealous and angry that Lindsey wrote World Turning together without her.

Yes, Mick wrote that "Stevie has also said that the relationship between her and Lindsey was already a bit rocky when they joined the band". And since Dreams was written during their time at the Record Plant, definitely GYOW was written before.

Now my uncertainty is... was the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line was added to the song before of after Lindsey heard Dreams? I guess if I ask Lindsey about it, he will answer... I don't know!

What I didn't know is about that Stevie's issue with World Turning. What I do remember is that Mick said that Peter Green's "The World Keeps On Turning," was compacted and changed around a bit and known as "World Turning." But Peter was not formally credited on the song, was he?

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

If GYOW was written and performed by 1975 reveals they broke up making The White album and their relationship was all but over by Rumours. Stevie got jealous and angry that Lindsey wrote World Turning together without her. GYOW appears to be written in real time about the break up. Dreams appears to be post break up along with the revenge of Silver Springs. But the soap opera of Rumours was not really about break ups but about working with ex's post break up. Since the 1975 and 1976 tour was long when was it they were no longer sharing a room? Or they never shared a hotel room on that tour since their relationship was over when the album was released. We need to know these details!!! Maybe the tour before the album's release they were still together but after the album's release it was over?

lol we do need to know these details but i'm not holding my breath. trying to figure out the break up timelines of both couples is very confusing because nothing was cut and dry. Both were back and forth a lot and i don't think an angry song defines a definite end to a relationship, just emotions expressed about yet another rough patch, and a knowledge that things are really breaking down.

I think S&L were having issues and may have separated for a bit in 75 but still been involved enough with each other to feel as if they truly "broke up" later on. They could easily have been sleeping together at beginning of rumours and then not towards the end. for J&C it was the reverse.


I feel like nothing w these people is black and white... for example, just because a couple wasn't sharing a room on the rumours tour doesn't mean they weren't still in bed in one of their rooms at some point. Are you broken up if you're not sharing a room but still sleeping together sometimes? Or if you're seeing other people but still occasionally having a shag because there are still feelings between you and the person is there in your face all the time and opportunities present themselves?

These questions apply to both couples. and after all this time i doubt any of the individuals could pinpoint the exact timeline of their "break up", because the splits were long and boundaries were... flexible.

--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, Mick wrote that "Stevie has also said that the relationship between her and Lindsey was already a bit rocky when they joined the band". And since Dreams was written during their time at the Record Plant, definitely GYOW was written before.

Now my uncertainty is... was the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line was added to the song before of after Lindsey heard Dreams? I guess if I ask Lindsey about it, he will answer... I don't know!

What I didn't know is about that Stevie's issue with World Turning. What I do remember is that Mick said that Peter Green's "The World Keeps On Turning," was compacted and changed around a bit and known as "World Turning." But Peter was not formally credited on the song, was he?

No, I don't think peter was ever credited, but world turning was def based off his song, they just rehashed the chords a bit.

Stevie has said she was very jealous that lindsey wrote world turning with chris, I guess because they seemed to collaborate so well without the "friction" that could exist between L&S.

--Lis

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

just because a couple wasn't sharing a room on the rumours tour doesn't mean they weren't still in bed in one of their rooms at some point. Are you broken up if you're not sharing a room but still sleeping together sometimes? Or if you're seeing other people but still occasionally having a shag because there are still feelings between you and the person is there in your face all the time and opportunities present themselves?

And even more so if there were drugs that triggered emotional impulses that ended up in bed... I imagine them waking up and looking to the side and saying... Sh-t, what did I do again!

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, Mick wrote that "Stevie has also said that the relationship between her and Lindsey was already a bit rocky when they joined the band". And since Dreams was written during their time at the Record Plant, definitely GYOW was written before.

Now my uncertainty is... was the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line was added to the song before of after Lindsey heard Dreams? I guess if I ask Lindsey about it, he will answer... I don't know!

What I didn't know is about that Stevie's issue with World Turning. What I do remember is that Mick said that Peter Green's "The World Keeps On Turning," was compacted and changed around a bit and known as "World Turning." But Peter was not formally credited on the song, was he?

Her issue was jealousy. She said herself that Lindsey never sat down and wrote a song with her and suddenly she sees him writing and creating a song without her. All those years together they never wrote together. She was never included on the track either and while its not really a duet its a back and forth. Must of driven her nuts.
Since you have the book out. My memory is shaky. I seem to remember Lindsey confronting Mick about Stevie while they were smoking a joint together.

BTW, I love this irked Stevie in the first clip claiming the shacking up line WAS NOT TRUE. Stevie says the songs Lindsey wrote about her were "Horrifying"

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWXHNv9qeNk/

[HomerMcvie]

Lindsey said to Mick, "it's you and Stevie, isn't it".

That's my recollection, anyway. I don't need no stinkin' book!

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I seem to remember Lindsey confronting Mick about Stevie while they were smoking a joint together.

Yes, but it was before the actual affair started, according to Mick.

On that first tour of the new band, we were staying at the original Holiday Inn, the oldest one, somewhere in Texas. It was a dump. I ended up in Lindsey's room after the gig. It was the first time I ever sat around and got stoned with Lindsey, man to man. We were just hanging around, and got to talking. I had stopped smoking years before, and needless to say I got hammered on this joint we shared. Remember, this is in the earliest days of the new band. We're both sitting there, and straight out of the blue he turned to me and said, "It's you and Stevie, isn't it?"

I was in terrible condition, but I remember this hitting my psyche like a bolt of lightning. I really didn't understand. I could only stammer, "Whaddaya mean?" But he didn't really answer. It merely appeared to him that there was something between me and Stevie Nicks. The moment passed, and it was never mentioned again.


But it was during the Rumours tour when the affair started.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

BTW, I love this irked Stevie in the first clip claiming the shacking up line WAS NOT TRUE. Stevie says the songs Lindsey wrote about her were "Horrifying"

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWXHNv9qeNk/

This picture is from my favorite interview (circa 2013) when they talk for the twelve hundredth time about that line. I've not found the complete video but I remember she complained about it, as usual, and then Lindsey said he added the line as a joke and Stevie says Yes, veeery funny. And then Mick and Lindsey laugh.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, but it was before the actual affair started, according to Mick.

On that first tour of the new band, we were staying at the original Holiday Inn, the oldest one, somewhere in Texas. It was a dump. I ended up in Lindsey's room after the gig. It was the first time I ever sat around and got stoned with Lindsey, man to man. We were just hanging around, and got to talking. I had stopped smoking years before, and needless to say I got hammered on this joint we shared. Remember, this is in the earliest days of the new band. We're both sitting there, and straight out of the blue he turned to me and said, "It's you and Stevie, isn't it?"

I was in terrible condition, but I remember this hitting my psyche like a bolt of lightning. I really didn't understand. I could only stammer, "Whaddaya mean?" But he didn't really answer. It merely appeared to him that there was something between me and Stevie Nicks. The moment passed, and it was never mentioned again.


But it was during the Rumours tour when the affair started.

Lindsey was smart enough to see it was going to happen. I remember when I first read that in the book back in 1990 that during the first tour the sleeping around was already starting. It was sort of funny but crazy that Lindsey's new girlfriend looked similar to Stevie and Lindsey brought her to the Grammy awards and plopped her down in a seat with the band. Lindsey plays mind games and I think this is what broke Stevie with her firing him. She really thought that silly dance was some sort of joke on her because she has PTSD from all the craziness between them. He put that shacking up line in later on because he knew it would humiliate her.