24kg ~ A "song By Song" Discussion

[Phil]

Originally posted by michelej1

When we were trying to guess what I Don't Care was, Viv reminded us that we'd already heard the snippet, but really that snippet doesn't prevent it from being a song we already know. Just hearing the Everybody Loves You snippet, didn't give me a real sense of what that song was.

True - if we'd only heard the verses of "Planets Of The Universe" or the chorus of "Moonlight" prior to their release, we wouldn't have necessarily known these to be what we thought were "No Light" and "Lady From The Mountain".

[HoursAndHours]

Originally Posted by Phil

Originally posted by michelej1



True - if we'd only heard the verses of "Planets Of The Universe" or the chorus of "Moonlight" prior to their release, we wouldn't have necessarily known these to be what we thought were "No Light" and "Lady From The Mountain".

^^This. But... the melody and rhythm are soooo familiar in that clip. I feel like I'm going to have a giant facepalm welt for like a week after we finally get to hear it.

[KarmaContestant]

1. “Starshine” – This has been a favorite of mine for many years, and was the very first song I thought of when I first heard about this album. I'm thrilled to see it included on 24 Karat, and hope that the energy of the song is upheld.

2. “If You Were My Love” – Never really been a big fan of this song; there is a BD outtake of it that I'm fond of, though. I do wonder if this new version will be more like the Bella Donna, Street Angel or Mirage outtake - or possible something totally new that Stevie and dave came up with.

3. “Mabel Normand” – Never paid this song much heed until recently. I wouldn't even consider the version we've heard to be a demo in the traditioanl sense - it's more stream of conscienceness poetry set to a beat, which is how Stevie starts a lot of her songs - just listen to those rambling "My Love Is Never Lost" sessions, and then compare them to "Love You Enough". Not even comparable, really. What we hear on 24 Karat Gold will be far removed from the Mabel Normand 'demo'.

4. “Twisted” – Stevie has said before she feels like soundtrack songs are lost songs, so I'm not really surprised that she wants to re-do this one. It did not get the attention she wants it to have.

5. “24 Karat Gold” - Love the demo - the snippet sounded great. Not much else to say.

6. “Belle Fleur” – Not a favorite, but a good song. I don't really have an opinion on this one, much like If You Were My Love.

7. “All The Beautiful Worlds” – Like The Dealer, I don't expect this to have any of the magic or mystery of the Wild Heart outtake we know and love. I am expecting disappointment.

8. “Lady” – If this is Knocking On Doors, cool. Obviously it will be in a much lower register - but maybe - just maybe - Stevie will falsetto in the appropriate places, like in Sorcerer.

9. “I Don’t Care” - ?

10. “Watch Chain” – I've always considered to be one of those demos with non-sense lyrics that sound good but don't say anything coherent. I like the 'keeper of time' verse about crossing the water, but other than that - wtf is a watch devil?

11. “Hard Advice” - ?

12. “Carousel” - ?

13. “Blue Water” – One of the very first Stevie demos I ever heard. A lifelong favorite, I'm pretty sure that no matter how Stevie sings it, no matter how it turns out, it will be great, to me.

14. “Cathouse Blues” – Um..ok.

15. “The Dealer” – One of my favorite unreleased Stevie songs, ever. I like that it stayed true to the BD versions...but ultimately, I would have prefered a release of said BD version on an expanded Bella Donna. Maybe that will still happen.

16. “She Loves Him Still” - Another lifelong favorite of mine, from the same cassette that had Blue Water I got in 1989. One of the last outtakes I ever expected Stevie to formally release, so I'm pleasantly surprised. My only fear - that she'll "Goodbye Baby" it with a sterile vocal and remove any trace of real feeling.



I'm excited for this album. That doesn't change the fact that I would have preferred a compilation of unreleased material, instead of a reinvention of unreleased material. Perhaps Stevie can't find some of these songs in her own vault, necessitating the re-recording of them, but given the story behind the album, given the old Polaroids and the old stories, a release that compiled high-quality recordings of the original demos and outtakes would have been my own personal preference.

[markolas]

Oh, get over yourself.

[sorcerer999]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

The cynicism, negativity and hyper-critical analysis expressed here is rather disturbing. It has less to do with Stevie, and more about navel gazing personal preferences (hello social media!). Of course everyone has their right to an opinion, but I feel there is a serious lack of respect and appreciation for what Stevie giving us, and this new phase of her life. You're already knocking down the album without even hearing it.

If you feel the need to make unfair comparisons of 30 year old demos to a twenty-first century Stevie, well you have those demos to enjoy for free! Save your money and avoid the album if you can't handle your perception of the (apparently egregious) way in which she has rendered the songs. Stevie is only human and her work should be judged by where and who she is now. Understanding and objectivity comes with age. I see so little of it here. Try to have some gratitude for what it is -not what you want it be.

I'm not sure you're understanding the purpose of this thread. Have you actually read all of our responses? I'm also not sure you're picking up on all of our excitement (and yes, GRATITUDE) about this upcoming project. Our opinions of certain songs and what we love versus what we're going to get is something fun and interesting to talk about while we wait. Apparently, what you consider as "hyper critical" and "negative" is merely all of us speculating and wondering why Stevie made certain choices with this project. All of our questions and speculations are valid, regardless of what we end up hearing on this new record, which I'm sure we will all be happy with, no matter how we "speculate" or "would prefer" them to sound.

I'm really not understanding the NEGATIVITY on YOUR PART, PenguinHead. If you don't want to participate in thread speculation, or fan boy/girl excitement, then simply DO NOT participate. But getting on this thread and telling us that we don't respect or appreciate what Stevie is giving us (when it is so obviously far from the truth) is neither wanted nor welcome.

[Dex]

Really, though. Are we all just supposed to go "Oh! Well! I really don't enjoy listening to song X! But bless her heart, she's Stevie and she tried! And she's so old, now! Way to go, Stevie!" all day every day on this forum? Who honestly is interested in discourse like that? Who honestly would appreciate hearing that about their own work? It's patronising at best.

[HoursAndHours]

Originally Posted by Dex

Who honestly is interested in discourse like that?

People who put art/ists on a pedestal safe from critical review, evidently. Because, you know, criticism never helps anyone, and is certainly never useful.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by sorcerer999

I'm not sure you're understanding the purpose of this thread. Have you actually read all of our responses? I'm also not sure you're picking up on all of our excitement (and yes, GRATITUDE) about this upcoming project. Our opinions of certain songs and what we love versus what we're going to get is something fun and interesting to talk about while we wait. Apparently, what you consider as "hyper critical" and "negative" is merely all of us speculating and wondering why Stevie made certain choices with this project. All of our questions and speculations are valid, regardless of what we end up hearing on this new record, which I'm sure we will all be happy with, no matter how we "speculate" or "would prefer" them to sound.

I'm really not understanding the NEGATIVITY on YOUR PART, PenguinHead. If you don't want to participate in thread speculation, or fan boy/girl excitement, then simply DO NOT participate. But getting on this thread and telling us that we don't respect or appreciate what Stevie is giving us (when it is so obviously far from the truth) is neither wanted nor welcome.

An overwrought, misplaced emotional thought and mistake that I own up to. Sorry for that. I think the personal challenges I've been dealing with resulted in a lack of judgement. I deleted the post. Hope all evidence of this can be removed.

[sorcerer999]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

An overwrought, misplaced emotional thought and mistake that I own up to. Sorry for that. I think the personal challenges I've been dealing with resulted in a lack of judgement. I deleted the post. Hope all evidence of this can be removed.

No worries. We all have personal challenges to fight through. Hopefully the Ledge and Stevie's music can be used as an escape from all these challenges.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Dex

Who honestly is interested in discourse like that?

Ivory Keys.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

An overwrought, misplaced emotional thought and mistake that I own up to. Sorry for that. I think the personal challenges I've been dealing with resulted in a lack of judgement. I deleted the post. Hope all evidence of this can be removed.

I still like you.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Dex

Really, though. Are we all just supposed to go "Oh! Well! I really don't enjoy listening to song X! But bless her heart, she's Stevie and she tried! And she's so old, now! Way to go, Stevie!" all day every day on this forum? Who honestly is interested in discourse like that? Who honestly would appreciate hearing that about their own work? It's patronising at best.

I'm not much into being grateful to celebrities, myself. Michele

[blonde]

I was truly hoping mistaken love would be in there somewhere I am so disapointed

[DauphineMarie]

Originally Posted by blonde

I was truly hoping mistaken love would be in there somewhere I am so disapointed

This could be a Fleetwood Mac holdover, if she decides to go that route. If not, there's always the hotly anticipated Vault Part Deux

[HoursAndHours]

Originally Posted by DauphineMarie

This could be a Fleetwood Mac holdover, if she decides to go that route. If not, there's always the hotly anticipated Vault Part Deux

Her omission of Rhiannon songs seems quite deliberate to me. Except possibly, was Blue Water from the Rhiannon tapes?