Say You Will as a Stevie Solo Album ~ Works?

[mikebise]

Travis, I LOVE it!!!!

I was JUST outside walking my dog, wondering about making the CD and photos and all that, and there you have the PERFECT artwork already done!!!!!

Grooving to your tracking order!

[Travis]

Originally Posted by mikebise

Travis, I LOVE it!!!!

I was JUST outside walking my dog, wondering about making the CD and photos and all that, and there you have the PERFECT artwork already done!!!!!

Grooving to your tracking order!

Awww thanks Mike, that's nice of you. I think the artwork is decent, I have another friend that does a lot of my fliers for me that could probably do a much better one but it was nice of the person at the time to do it for me so, I still use them. Give my order a few tries and let me know how you like it.

[cristochango]

Originally Posted by mikebise

Great to hear differing opinions!

BTW, I'm not saying for Stevie to re-record the 11 songs. Just slap all 11 on a CD and ask: does it work as an album? That's all.

For me, it does.

On the "Smile At You" thread, mitzo mentions Stevie's "Creepy" vocals on that song as very enticing. Well, I have to add Stevie's vocals on "Goodbye Baby" as totally creepy, in a good way! So bizarre, they sound like leftover vocals from a Rock A Little discarded track, all trembly and breathy. Also, Stevie really doesn't sing along with the music. I mean, I find it hard to sing along with her. I just sit and listen, entranced.

I also think Stevie translated the song well in the 2003-2004 concerts, keeping the "creepiness" intact.

See, if you put all the songs on the listed on one album, as they were, it would do absolutely nothing for me.

To me it'd be a "I'm more into Stevie than Lindsey right now, especially the SYW era.." Playlist on my ipod.

To me, I feel like an album needs a premise behind it. The Stevie solo SYW would have absolutely no grounds for me. :/

(Not that I'm hating on your view, this is just what I think )

[Travis]

Mike,

Also, the Sweet Girl I use is the demo from Enchanted, not the live one.

[Christopher]

Almost as soon as SYW was released I sequenced just Stevie's songs to make another solo album representing the 10 songs that were released. Those 10 songs for me work well as a Stevie Nicks solo album.... that just happens to be produced by Lindsey with Mick and John in tow.

Say You Will
Illume
Thrown Down
Smile At You
Not Make Believe
Destiny Rules
Silver Girl
Running Through The Garden
Everybody Finds Out
Goodbye Baby

Yes, It's been said over and over, but it's true. SYW was Lindsey's & Stevie's solo songs slapped together on one disjointed FM record. They fit better without each others.

[mikebise]

Well, after listening to your running order, Travis, it has replaced mine, I love it that much!!!! I did tweak it a bit ~ as we ALL do, right?

The Trouble In Shangri-la version of "Thrown Down" belongs on Trouble In Shangri-la, for ME, so I left it there, and used the Say you Will version as the opener instead. I must say, it's given me a new appreciation for that version (I MUCH prefer the TISL version of "Thrown Down"). It's a very good opening.

I used the Cold Ending of the "Say You Will" Single Remix, 'cause "Running Through The Garden" just sounds KILLER after that! Finally, I wanted the album to have mostly the same musicians, so I still used the Live version of "Sweet Girl" (Special Guest Keyboards by Christine McVie! ) .

STEVIE NICKS / DESTINY RULES
Thrown Down
Everybody Finds Out
Twisted
Illume
Not Make Believe
Say You Will (Single Remix Cold Ending)
Running Through The Garden
Smile At You
Silver Girl
Sweet Girl
Destiny Rules
Goodbye Baby

So, I tweaked it a little, but your running order really makes it flow like a real Stevie album!!!

[mikebise]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Those 10 songs for me work well as a Stevie Nicks solo album.... that just happens to be produced by Lindsey with Mick and John in tow.
...

Yes, It's been said over and over, but it's true. SYW was Lindsey's & Stevie's solo songs slapped together on one disjointed FM record. They fit better without each others.

Quoted for totally!!!! Two solo albums slapped together, indeed!

[Travis]

Hey Mike,

Ya know I actually agree that the single remix cold ending of SYW works better. I was playing around with each and I did like how it went right into RTTG, so I'll give you that one. I still think the "wall of sound mix" of Thrown Down is a better opening track. I didn't know that came from the TISL sessions, I just always read people calling it the "wall of sound mix", and I never knew what the heck that meant. I'll say this, with your tweaks (the album version of Thrown Down, cold ending of SYW and live version of Sweet Girl) it's basically a solo Stevie CD produced all by Lindsey so, in that sense it works. But for me, using the "wall of sound mix" of TD and the demo of Sweet Girl, (and not to mention Twisted) I feel it gives it more of a Stevie sound (just heavily outweighed by Lindsey). Blah blah blah ...

Glad you like the running order

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

For me the reason it lacks Mac-ificity is that we don't hear each of them on the other's songs as much as we should. This is especially problematic on the Lindsey songs - at least on the Stevie songs, we hear Lindsey's recognizable guitar playing. But on a song like Murrow (which I like), for one example, Stevie needs to be heard in the chorus if it's a Mac album. JMO

- Jake

Thanks, Jake. I guess I can see your point to an extent. But, there are so many songs where the three vocalists are not singing on the others songs. It might be interesting to list. Besides Lindsey's guitar and Christine's keyboards, there might be great solo packages for all of them.

[Jondalar]

Lindsey's songs would of made an excellent solo record. Stevie's, NO

[Travis]

Another thing I remembered this morning about making my running order was that I tried to sequence the songs with a similar feel as "The Other Side Of The Mirror."

Thrown Down (Wall of Sound Mix) / Rooms On Fire
Everybody Finds Out / Long Way To Go
Twisted / Two Kinds Of Love
Illume / Ooh My Love
Not Make Believe / Ghosts
Say You Will (Remix Cold) / Whole Lotta Trouble
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Running Through The Garden / Fire Burning
Smile At You / Cry Wolf
Silver Girl / Alice
Sweet Girl / Juliet
Destiny Rules / Doing The Best I Can
Goodbye Baby / I Still Miss Someone

[holidayroad]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I don't see how SYW differs from the majority of FM albums in the sense of feeling "disconnected" - besides Christine being absent.

I agree with you. From Tusk forward, there wasn't a lot of unity within the albums. I think Christine being gone just made it more obvious.

[SapphireSister]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Say You Will
Illume
Thrown Down
Smile At You
Not Make Believe
Destiny Rules
Silver Girl
Running Through The Garden
Everybody Finds Out
Goodbye Baby

Yes, It's been said over and over, but it's true. SYW was Lindsey's & Stevie's solo songs slapped together on one disjointed FM record. They fit better without each others.

I agree with this statement but I'm glad they all came out on the same album because I happen to love 3 of Lindsey's songs and never would have listened to them if they were on a solo album (Murrow, Say Goodbye, Cum).
As for Stevie's songs, I think they're all superb with the exception of Silver Girl and RTTG and I love Lindsey's production. The only negative is Stevie's vocals on a few of them are slightly lack-luster but EFO is one of her most rockin' tracks and very under appreciated as far as I'm concerned. It's right up there with Fall From Grace. I adore Goodbye Baby live from the SYW tour and it holds special memories for me as well as the scene of the recording of it from the Destiny Rules DVD. God, now that I think about it, I love these songs and the album as a whole. Doesn't bother me a drop that Christine is not on there, more songs for Stevie!

[Artemis]

I do not get the hate for RTTG. At all.

She sounds more alive halfway through that song than she has for years. For me, RTTG, not Thrown Down, is THE standout song on SYW.

Although, the fabulous 80s demo is still... fabulous

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by holidayroad

I agree with you. From Tusk forward, there wasn't a lot of unity within the albums. I think Christine being gone just made it more obvious.

True.