Annabel Lee - Page 2

WildHearted · #16 02-17-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

I don't understand why you are concerned. She may or may not give him credit. Does he get the royalties too. Instead of splitting it between Dave and Stevie, will they only get 2/3 of the song, with no one getting the other 3rd. Whatever she does with it, I'm sure it will be the right thing.

Annabel Lee is public domain, so doesn't that mean they don't have to pay royalties?

paleshadow · #17 02-17-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

I don't understand why you are concerned. She may or may not give him credit. Does he get the royalties too. Instead of splitting it between Dave and Stevie, will they only get 2/3 of the song, with no one getting the other 3rd. Whatever she does with it, I'm sure it will be the right thing.

As a writer, I wouldn't want my work used without being credited. It's not like I'm losing any sleep over what Stevie does, but I would have less respect for her professionally if she didn't give the proper credit. Based on your post it seems like you may not be familiar with Edgar Allan Poe. He's been dead for over a century, so I don't think he'll miss out on royalties, but his work should still be acknowledged. Stevie's recording may broaden many of her fans appreciation for his work, so I do hope she mentions him in interviews as Phoenix said in addition to crediting him for the words he wrote.

If you aren't familiar with him, you should check out his work. Never really cared for his poems, but I loved some of his stories. "The Cask of Amontillado", "The Mask of the Red Death" and "The Tell Tale Heart" are some of my favorites.

paleshadow · #18 02-17-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I am reserving judgement imtill the song and the album is actually out.

Me too, that's why I used the words "if" and "would". I can't imagine Stevie wouldn't give Poe credit for the words, especially after she was accused of stealing the lyrics to "Sara" years ago. All this talk about Annabel Lee is making me want to read some Poe! Where's my kindle!

Phoenix · #19 02-17-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by paleshadow

Me too, that's why I used the words "if" and "would". I can't imagine Stevie wouldn't give Poe credit for the words, especially after she was accused of stealing the lyrics to "Sara" years ago. All this talk about Annabel Lee is making me want to read some Poe! Where's my kindle!

Me too!! i just bought his collected works today

Love it. and Hello to my fellow charmed fan

paleshadow · #20 02-17-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Me too!! i just bought his collected works today

Love it. and Hello to my fellow charmed fan

We need a "Charmed" movie!!!!

Phoenix · #21 02-17-2011, 11:36 PM

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We need a "Charmed" movie!!!!

I SOOOO AGREE. I just watched the episodes where they play "planets of the universe" and then the one where they play "i miss you". AND I just went to the house again a month ago. I brought my leather book of shadows!

amberlemegan · #22 02-18-2011, 12:09 AM

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I SOOOO AGREE. I just watched the episodes where they play "planets of the universe" and then the one where they play "i miss you". AND I just went to the house again a month ago. I brought my leather book of shadows!

Another Charmed fan over here

I haven't watched it in forever, but I used to be obsessed. I have all the seasons I think I might watch them again

Phoenix · #23 02-18-2011, 12:19 AM

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Another Charmed fan over here

I haven't watched it in forever, but I used to be obsessed. I have all the seasons I think I might watch them again

Do it!

I have a weekly night to have friends over for charmed nite.

One of my best friends came with me to the house so its even cooler now that hes been there. We started a while back with season one and are now in season 4. Prue will always be my favorite, followed by Piper. but page rocks too. im even reading the comic books now.

Jondalar · #24 02-18-2011, 12:28 AM

Rose McGowan is just beautiful. She was supposed to play Barberella in the remake and that got cancelled. Then she was supposed to play Red Sonja and that got pushed back.

APerfectLie · #25 02-18-2011, 02:44 AM

This thread has taken some strange turns...
I think Stevie will give Poe credit and I don't mind that she is doing Annabel Lee. What has me worried is it is considered one of the best tracks on her album and I believe David Wild even said it was one of the best things shes EVER done. Why does this bother me? Because the song is at most 25% her artistic work. I just feel like it isn't saying much if an artists "best" thing is something that was mostly created by someone else.

BombaySapphire3 · #26 02-18-2011, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by APerfectLie

What has me worried is it is considered one of the best tracks on her album and I believe David Wild even said it was one of the best things shes EVER done. Why does this bother me? Because the song is at most 25% her artistic work. I just feel like it isn't saying much if an artists "best" thing is something that was mostly created by someone else.

Wild also said that "Italian Summer"is one of her top 3 songs ever as well.Dave also mentioned that one as one of his two favorites on the album along with "For What it's Worth"

Nikolaj · #27 02-18-2011, 03:59 AM

Oh, I feel sure that Edgar Allen Poe will be given his writing credit within the liner notes, even if it's only for "inspiration" for 'AL'.
Technically, it may seem Poe should be listed as an author of it, but I'm unsure how that would work. If someone had put 'As You Like It' into song form, I tend to doubt we'd see, oh- (Madonna/Jellybean/William Shakespeare) under the song title.

And what about the publishing for 'AL'? 'Poe Welsh Witch'?
I would guess he gets full credit somewhere in the liner notes for his original work that turned into a song, they are and were his words.

Jondalar · #28 02-18-2011, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by APerfectLie

This thread has taken some strange turns...
I think Stevie will give Poe credit and I don't mind that she is doing Annabel Lee. What has me worried is it is considered one of the best tracks on her album and I believe David Wild even said it was one of the best things shes EVER done. Why does this bother me? Because the song is at most 25% her artistic work. I just feel like it isn't saying much if an artists "best" thing is something that was mostly created by someone else.

What I got from all the posts is For What it's Worth is the best song, followed by Italian Summer, In Your Dreams and then Annabelle Lee. He's just chatting things up. I'm sure Annabelle Lee is not close to Landslide or Leather and Lace. Stevie loves what Dave did with Annabelle Lee too.

This stuff doesn't bother me anymore. Bjork has had heaps of critical praise. She's colloborated on almost everything. Never wrote a lot of her stuff. Madonna survived by colloborating. Bonnie Raitt won grammys for songs she didn't even write. Her biggest hits were written for her.

Stevie hired Dave to make her songs bigger and better. That's what a producer does. The idea for the song was hers. It's her tune. He added to it and made it better. Great.

P.S. Stevie has written hundreds and maybe thousands of songs. She needs to colloborate to get something new. She's probably sick of herself now. I'm glad she found a collorater is writing different stuff. She needed that.

CADreaming · #29 02-18-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikolaj

Oh, I feel sure that Edgar Allen Poe will be given his writing credit within the liner notes, even if it's only for "inspiration" for 'AL'.
Technically, it may seem Poe should be listed as an author of it, but I'm unsure how that would work. If someone had put 'As You Like It' into song form, I tend to doubt we'd see, oh- (Madonna/Jellybean/William Shakespeare) under the song title.

And what about the publishing for 'AL'? 'Poe Welsh Witch'?
I would guess he gets full credit somewhere in the liner notes for his original work that turned into a song, they are and were his words.

It depends on if the poem is public domain, which in this case I don't believe it is. Public domain is when a copyright expires, 'x' amount of years after the author's or artist's death or if the copyright is not renewed by an estate...something like that. Emily Dickinson is given half credit of Lindsey's song Gift of Screws, for instance, a similar situation.

paleshadow · #30 02-18-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CADreaming

It depends on if the poem is public domain, which in this case I don't believe it is. Public domain is when a copyright expires, 'x' amount of years after the author's or artist's death or if the copyright is not renewed by an estate...something like that. Emily Dickinson is given half credit of Lindsey's song Gift of Screws, for instance, a similar situation.

I believe Poe is public domain now since he's been dead for over 100 years and copyright wasn't renewed by his estate. That just means that no one needs permission to use his work, not that he shouldn't be given writing credit for it. Based on this article: http://www.publicdomaintreasurehunte...public-domain/ It seems that it would just be an ethical choice and Stevie wouldn't have to give Poe credit. In the past, when she's used bits and pieces from public domain writers, she hasn't. As was mentioned though, this case is different because it's an entire body of work, with only slight alterations. Should be interesting to see how she handles it. I'm looking forward to hearing how it's evolved from the demo version.