Rosie's ching-chong comments

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

This world would be a better place if everybody wasn't so f*cking sensitive. Rosie and China included.

Exactly!

I mean where do we draw the line? Who does not want to laugh at anything ever again though satire, etc.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It is one thing to assert that Gay Aiken's hand was dirty from dirty gay sex, which clearly is what she meant when she puntuated her sentence with "hoooney." It is quite another to say ching chang chong is a vague reference to the Chinese media.

Personaly, I find neither offensive, though Ripka clearly was pissed and attacking Gay personally and Rosie was joking 100%.

What the f*ck does "hooney" mean, and why does that make her comment anti-gay? I say "I don't know where your hand has been" to people often, gay and straight.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

This world would be a better place if everybody wasn't so f*cking sensitive. Rosie and China included.

This is true. I watched this hilarious comedy show the other night with Lewis Black and a couple other guys. They did some gay marriage jokes that probably some will find offensive, but I thought were just funny and not meant in a mean-spirited way.

It makes it hard to fight against truly offensive stuff when people get outraged over every little thing. I'm still trying to understand why an imitation of a language is that offensive.

[strandinthewind]

^^^^

She looked pissed when he put his hand up to her face (which was way rude) and then clearly attacked him by asserting his gayness was dirty - even if in jest.

She said what she said with that whole big queen hand and head gesture and then punctuated it with a very gay term like honey. I mean does anyone really think after seeing that that she was not attacking him in retaliation for the hand thing and she did it by asserting his hand was dirty from gay sex. Here is the video - you judge for yourself.



In the end, I think she was taken aback and was pissed at him and then tried to cover it with humor.

Put it this way, like Rosie, I know of no gay person who cannot tell that KR was camping it up and EXACTLY what she meant.

[skcin]

^ And like you said, why do we not deem it offensive if we imitate an Italian accent, or an Irish one, but it is offensive if it's Chinese? If she had actually used English words with a Chinese accent, would that have been OK?

[mikeschmike]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

This is true. I watched this hilarious comedy show the other night with Lewis Black and a couple other guys. They did some gay marriage jokes that probably some will find offensive, but I thought were just funny and not meant in a mean-spirited way.

It makes it hard to fight against truly offensive stuff when people get outraged over every little thing. I'm still trying to understand why an imitation of a language is that offensive.

Because people would rather judge everyone else's actions rather then their own. I am almost positive that everyone at one point or another has found humor and/or amusement in something that could potentially offend a specific group of people. Hell, I make fun of old people and their driving skills. Should I send an apology letter to AARP? Hell. No.

[skcin]

Strand - I've seen the video. I do think she was teasing him about being gay, and letting him know that everyone knows he's gay even though he's not out. But I honestly don't think she was implying that he's dirty because he has gay sex. I could be wrong, but I'm taking her word for it.

Personally, I would be appalled if anyone put their hand on my mouth/face, even if I knew them well, gay or straight. BECAUSE PEOPLE'S HANDS ARE FILTHY DIRTY DISGUSTING GERMY & GROSS! Although I would have said "get your filthy ass hand the f*ck off my face, assh*le." Or something to that effect.

[strandinthewind]

^^

LOL - I would have said that too

But and to the point, even in jest, she was implying his hand was dirty not from the common everyday touching of people we all do. She implied it was because he was gay. Is that offensive and not funny? I do not really think so.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

It makes it hard to fight against truly offensive stuff when people get outraged over every little thing. I'm still trying to understand why an imitation of a language is that offensive.

That is how I am thinking about it. If she had used a different language, would people have been offended? Like say, French? People parody french language all the time. Or any other language? Which language would be okay, and which not? And why? Is it okay only if huge groups of people with that heritage or who speak that language don't get all pissed off? And it's not okay when the language group does get pissed off? Can you make fun of people who weren't oppressed much in that past, but not people who were? No groups/ethnicities really escape some kind of prejudice, at some time. I mean, are we to stop making fun of British people's teeth? That would be terrible, because making fun of British teeth is funny.
Can we imitate how Russian news would sound as a joke, but not Chinese? What are the rules, and why are they somewhat arbitrary?
And on and on.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

i think michelle says it best..

[gldstwmn]

Somewhere on the news it said that ching chong was some kind of bad Chinese slang, of which I'm sure Rosie had no idea. If ching chong is something vulgar or nasty in Chinese, then yeah, people are going to be offended.
If anyone even tried to put their hand near my face, I would probably bite them. Seriously though, I have a thing about germs. I don't like doorknobs. And putting your hand over the mouth of someone who is not your child or spouse is rude.

[DrummerDeanna]

^^

I always thought "ching chong" was just the default "mock or imitate" chinese phrase...I mean I remember being little and when we'd "speak Chinese" that's what we'd all say...

Of course I wouldn't do that now, as I can see where it's insensetive.....

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Politically correct bullshiiitte --- are we that dumbed down

I think people need to see the movie "Clerks 2" with the hilarious use of the word "porch monkey" (Wanda Sykes facial expression when Randal says "Porch Monkeys" is classic!)

Brian "The Half-breed potato peddler & blanket-head...ya know half Irish & half Indian" j.

Btw, for the record, I dont drink like the stereotypical Irish and I dont live in a tee-pee & say "How" like the stereotypical Indian.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

i think michelle says it best..

Yep, that about sums it up.

I remember watching a documentary on racism in Canada a few years back, with discussions related to if/how it differs to racism in the U.S. There was a Korean guy on there who talked about how all the way up until high school, various classmates would tease him by pulling the eyelids (so they would slant) and make these "ching- chong ching-chong" references to him. This guy's exact words were "where does this whole 'ching chong' thing come from anyway?"

So yeah, when Rosie said that, I thought of the racism documentary guy and that it really doesn't matter if I find it offensive, it matters if Asian groups find it offensive.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by Red

There was a Korean guy on there who talked about how all the way up until high school, various classmates would tease him by pulling the eyelids (so they would slant) and make these "ching- chong ching-chong" references to him. This guy's exact words were "where does this whole 'ching chong' thing come from anyway?"

years ago, one of my friends named Darrell was of Japanese decent. People would tease him the same way, and Darrell, being the California transplanted 'surfer/metalhead dude' would say "What the f**k are you saying dude, I only know English. My parents only know English, my Grandparents quit speaking Japanese when they immigrated to the US and wanted their children to assimilate with other US citizens who speak English"

We would roll on the ground as he ripped into those dumbass jocks. **** he would say to 'em was in his classic 'valley talk' accent only from a true Californian.