Kerry alleges misconduct in 2004 Ohio vote - Page 2

strandinthewind · #16 08-30-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxmx

i think john edwards should be in my bed. that's how I see it.

Instead of me?

strandinthewind · #17 08-30-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

I first saw this when I was at work and didnt have time to respond, but my first thought was: why NOW? its too freakin LATE! That man doesnt know diddly about timing does he?

Once again, Kerry hedged his bet - no surprise there is there.

I think he saw that the evidence was rather unsustainable at the time (history proves this correct as no lawsuits have been won

) and opted out. Now, he opts in. What a schlemeel.

irishgrl · #18 08-30-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Instead of me?

nah, you're coming over to MY domicile my friend! We've got a nekkid date yet to fulfil! Bring your top hat and your tonsils!

irishgrl · #19 08-30-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Once again, Kerry hedged his bet - no surprise there is there.

I think he saw that the evidence was rather unsustainable at the time (history proves this correct as no lawsuits have been won

) and opted out. Now, he opts in. What a schlemeel.

The fact that no lawsuits have been won only proves that there is no JUSTICE in our court system today. IMO, the Courts are packed with GOP "yes men" who will see to it that the Rethugs will not have to atone for their misdeeds. Bleh.

strandinthewind · #20 08-30-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

The fact that no lawsuits have been won only proves that there is no JUSTICE in our court system today. IMO, the Courts are packed with GOP "yes men" who will see to it that the Rethugs will not have to atone for their misdeeds. Bleh.

Meh - if the evodence is there, esp. in this high profile case, the judgement will follow. The problem here was as noted there was a record number of AA voters and though clearly the placement of voting machines was at best foolish and at worst conniving - there was no concrete evidence. Sad - but true.

Also - you are so funny - what the hell does gender have to do with this

see Katherine Harris in Nov. 2000 - last i checked, she has a vagina and is one as well

irishgrl · #21 08-30-2006, 07:53 AM

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Meh - if the evodence is there, esp. in this high profile case, the judgement will follow. The problem here was as noted there was a record number of AA voters and though clearly the placement of voting machines was at best foolish and at worst conniving - there was no concrete evidence. Sad - but true.

Also - you are so funny - what the hell does gender have to do with this

see Katherine Harris in Nov. 2000 - last i checked, she has a vagina and is one as well

Did I say (or even imply) that GENDER was a factor here? I dont think so.

my use of the term "yes men" was meant to describe ANYONE who is willing to do the party dirty work. Including Judges. of ANY gender.

And what does Katherine Harris have to do with this discussion? She was involved in the 2000 fiasco, and Kerry is complaing about Ohio in 2004

also, fyi:

I can think of a NUMBER of high profile cases where the "evidence was there" and the judgement most certainly did NOT follow. OJ SIMPSON ring a bell? MICHAEL JACKSON? In my own case, where the evidence certainly rises to the "preponderance of evidence" standard, there was still a Judge that allowed atrocities to happen and my son suffered as a result. Family Courts in particular are RIFE with cases where Judgements do NOT follow the evidence. Tsk Jason.

strandinthewind · #22 08-30-2006, 07:56 AM

^^^^

You take bait so easily

irishgrl · #23 08-30-2006, 07:58 AM

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^^^^

You take bait so easily

aaaaahhhh, you just like pushing my buttons. Ive only got two. and you push both of them. you BAHSTID!

strandinthewind · #24 08-30-2006, 08:32 AM

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aaaaahhhh, you just like pushing my buttons. Ive only got two. and you push both of them. you BAHSTID!

LOL - it was really meant to be sarcasm, which I am always soooo loathe to do

SuzeQuze · #25 08-30-2006, 01:21 PM

The Conyers Report regarding what went wrong is available at Amazon.com
What Went Wrong In Ohio: The Conyers Report On The 2004 Presidential Election

From Book Description: "...this book provides new insights into the abuse and manipulation of electronic voting machines and the arbitrary and illegal behavior of a number of elected and election officials which effectively disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in order to change the outcome of an election."

irishgrl · #26 08-30-2006, 01:46 PM

As far as Im concerned, the Conyers report only confirms what I already believed anyway. The REAL $64K question(s) to my mind is(are): WHAT the HELL are we going to do about it so it doesnt happen again.....and Are the perpetrators going to be held accountable?

My personal wish list would include a President that would reverse every policy that Monkey Boy and the Vulcans (the innter circle's name for themselves--according to Melissa Rossi) have saddled this country with.

Repeal Bushwhackers bad enviro laws, Tax the HECK out of Multi-Nationals that outsource, re-institute trust busting laws, pull us OUT of Iraq..........and on and on and on.

SuzeQuze · #27 08-30-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

As far as Im concerned, the Conyers report only confirms what I already believed anyway. The REAL $64K question(s) to my mind is(are): WHAT the HELL are we going to do about it so it doesnt happen again.....and Are the perpetrators going to be held accountable?

My personal wish list would include a President that would reverse every policy that Monkey Boy and the Vulcans (the innter circle's name for themselves--according to Melissa Rossi) have saddled this country with.

Repeal Bushwhackers bad enviro laws, Tax the HECK out of Multi-Nationals that outsource, re-institute trust busting laws, pull us OUT of Iraq..........and on and on and on.

I agree but so many people are unaware that it even happened.

I also agree that the above things you mentioned need to be undone.

strandinthewind · #28 08-30-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I agree but so many people are unaware that it even happened.

I also agree that the above things you mentioned need to be undone.

I think most people think that it is, as it was, unprovable. Thus, they are not really interested in it. Also, people were not that thrilled with Kerry and many voted for him begrudgingly. So, I think that played into it.

Again, if the media could have taken it and run - they would have.

SuzeQuze · #29 08-30-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think most people think that it is, as it was, unprovable. Thus, they are not really interested in it. Also, people were not that thrilled with Kerry and many voted for him begrudgingly. So, I think that played into it.

Again, if the media could have taken it and run - they would have.

Since when does it have to be provable for the media to report on it? That is for the courts. I'm even not sure it was unprovable.

strandinthewind · #30 08-30-2006, 03:49 PM

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Since when does it have to be provable for the media to report on it? That is for the courts. I'm even not sure it was unprovable.

I meant unprovable in the courts. Do I think it happened - sure it did. Do I think both parties are probably guilty of it across the US - sure they are. But, to make the charge stick even in the media, you have to prove it a la Dan Rather's fiasco (certainly what he reported occured, but he could not prove it - talk about a set up there though PHEW)

So, my point is that though it likely occured, they were clever enough in doing it that they cannot get caught.