here comes the sun, apreciation thread. - Page 2

johndoe · #16 03-05-2006, 05:42 PM

hahaha I kept reading your posts wrong because you spell "or" as "are." His vocals are very much off, too low for the song, I think. And this was a one time performance.

George Harrison died that year, and they had him do it as tribute. Jennings threatend to cut him out of the show because his version wasn't loyal enough to the original. Turns out he was so mad at this that he threw his guitar at a wall in his hotel room, and it had to be repaired that night. In fact, on the video, theres a hole in his guitar. Look for it.

danax6 · #17 03-05-2006, 06:29 PM

I have a lot of love for Lindsey, I have a lot of love for Here Comes the Sun, but IMO, in this case, the twain should never have met. Sorry.

It's not that he didn't play the guitar fabulously, it's just that he should have used some different lyrics.

madformac · #18 03-05-2006, 07:21 PM

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I have a lot of love for Lindsey, I have a lot of love for Here Comes the Sun, but IMO, in this case, the twain should never have met. Sorry.

It's not that he didn't play the guitar fabulously, it's just that he should have used some different lyrics.

Yes, as I pointed out in another thread last month. It's not the guitar work thats the problem. Lindsey has tried to mould his style around the existing lyrics and it just doesn't work. Yes I think Lindsey's vocals were off too and this doesn't help but it's really a case of Travis picking being wrong for this song.

"Here Comes The Sun" was George's reaction and response to "Albatross" and it's almost as shocking and wrong as Lindsey going over that song in his Travis picking way (I can see ChiliD having a fit at the thought!). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for artists covering songs. Again as I mentioned before Harrison technically covered "Here Comes The Sun" because Joe Cocker released his version first and therefore you could argue his version is different from the "original" even though he wrote it..

Also, am I the only one who thinks George's "Here Comes The Moon" is a more beautiful song than "Here Comes The Sun"?

WelshWitchPMD · #19 03-05-2006, 08:05 PM

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Yes, as I pointed out in another thread last month. It's not the guitar work thats the problem. Lindsey has tried to mould his style around the existing lyrics and it just doesn't work. Yes I think Lindsey's vocals were off too and this doesn't help but it's really a case of Travis picking being wrong for this song.

Yes, that problem that I have with his HCTS version are his vocals. They are a bit annoying but I don't think that his cover it is all that bad.

Jyqm · #20 03-05-2006, 11:48 PM

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"Here Comes The Sun" was George's reaction and response to "Albatross"

Come again? Where'd you hear this? "Sun King" is clearly an homage to "Albatross," but "Here Comes The Sun"?

I'm already on record around here as being a fan of Lindsey's performance, but I'll throw those two cents in again. His vocal isn't always on-key on the performance, but I quite like his arrangement.

But then, I'm one of those who always finds it kind of silly when others describe a cover as sounding "wrong." I don't think there really is a wrong way to perform most pop songs. If Lindsey's reworking of "Here Comes The Sun" was unfaithful to the temperament and musicality of the original, it did a brilliant job of conveying the mood so prevalent that December after George died - and after the towers fell in New York - that we were all in for a long, cold, lonely winter.

DownOnRodeo · #21 03-06-2006, 05:16 AM

The question of its loyalty to the original aside ...

His singing is operatic and the guitar playing symphonic.

It's a powerful tour de force of a tribute - I love it!

shackin'up · #22 03-06-2006, 05:59 AM

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The question of its loyalty to the original aside ...

His singing is operatic and the guitar playing symphonic.

It's a powerful tour de force of a tribute - I love it!

I'm with you again, Joe...but hey! what else is new....

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But then, I'm one of those who always finds it kind of silly when others describe a cover as sounding "wrong." I don't think there really is a wrong way to perform most pop songs. If Lindsey's reworking of "Here Comes The Sun" was unfaithful to the temperament and musicality of the original, it did a brilliant job of conveying the mood so prevalent that December after George died - and after the towers fell in New York - that we were all in for a long, cold, lonely winter.

well spoken. By the way, I always wonder why when people say his vocal is "off" , I usually think it's "pregnant of emotion". Particular in this case.....

madformac · #23 03-06-2006, 06:45 AM

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Come again? Where'd you hear this? "Sun King" is clearly an homage to "Albatross," but "Here Comes The Sun"?

George was impressed by Albatross and thought it was a beautiful song. He felt inspired to write something in response and Here Comes The Sun was the song. It doesn't need to "sound" like Albatross to have been inspired by it. "Sun King" is indeed a homage but it is one by Lennon not Harrison.

George wrote Here Comes The Sun in Eric Clapton's garden when he should have been at Apple signing contracts. He couldn't be bothered by all the fuss and decided to sneak away for the day. Quote "The relief of not going to see those dopey accountants was wonderful"

George felt (and was quite right) that in England it seems like winter goes on forever and this informed the lyrics.

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If Lindsey's reworking of "Here Comes The Sun" was unfaithful to the temperament and musicality of the original, it did a brilliant job of conveying the mood so prevalent that December after George died - and after the towers fell in New York - that we were all in for a long, cold, lonely winter.

I'm not sure the emotions Lindsey conveyed were entirely correct in that context. I think it was too erratic in nature personally.

Jyqm · #24 03-06-2006, 10:01 AM

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George was impressed by Albatross and thought it was a beautiful song. He felt inspired to write something in response and Here Comes The Sun was the song. It doesn't need to "sound" like Albatross to have been inspired by it. "Sun King" is indeed a homage but it is one by Lennon not Harrison.

George wrote Here Comes The Sun in Eric Clapton's garden when he should have been at Apple signing contracts. He couldn't be bothered by all the fuss and decided to sneak away for the day. Quote "The relief of not going to see those dopey accountants was wonderful"

George felt (and was quite right) that in England it seems like winter goes on forever and this informed the lyrics.

Okay. Where did you hear this, though? Where can I find the story?

chiliD · #25 03-06-2006, 11:11 AM

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Jennings threatend to cut him out of the show because his version wasn't loyal enough to the original. Turns out he was so mad at this that he threw his guitar at a wall in his hotel room, and it had to be repaired that night. In fact, on the video, theres a hole in his guitar.

See my response later in this post.

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"Here Comes The Sun" was George's reaction and response to "Albatross"...

No, no, no....and no. George (and John) suggested that they "play something like Fleetwood Mac" when they hit an unproductive stretch during the recording of Abbey Road ("Albatross" being atop the UK charts at the time)...what resulted was "Sun King". (and if you can't hear "Albatross" in the intro to "Sun King", time to make that appointment with your ENT doctor)

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Again as I mentioned before Harrison technically covered "Here Comes The Sun" because Joe Cocker released his version first

And, I will contend that there's absolutely no way a composer of a song can cover his own song...sure, somebody else may RELEASE their version of the song first, but the composer's version is NEVER a "cover". Another example, and again a George Harrison song..."Run So Far" was recorded & released by Eric Clapton in 1990...George Harrison's version wasn't released until after his death on his posthumous Brainwashed album. Nonetheless, Eric's version is the "cover"...George's is the original. Always was, always will be.

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Other than "big-love-it" I don't see how he could have done it any other way without a band behid him. It's a very darring version but I love it all the same.

One thing's for sure, he couldn't have done it any worse.

I think ABC should've stuck with their original decision and told Lindsey to "shove it" instead of let him on the air with that pile o' stinky crap.

If I'd have been in the studio, he'd have been wearing that Renaissance around his neck.

shackin'up · #26 03-06-2006, 11:20 AM

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One thing's for sure, he couldn't have done it any worse.

I think ABC should've stuck with their original decision and told Lindsey to "shove it" instead of let him on the air with that pile o' stinky crap.

If I'd have been in the studio, he'd have been wearing that Renaissance around his neck.

Well....here he is again.....didn't I predict this? These reactions make the version even more brilliant than it already was....
Lindsey's Here comes the sun is equally brilliant as Sid Vicious' My way, because in both cases there's only ONE person in the world able of doing the cover the way it's done. fock the originals.

chiliD · #27 03-06-2006, 11:22 AM

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Well....here he is again.....didn't I predict this?

Screw you and the horse you rode in on

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These reactions make the version even more brilliant than it already was....
Lindsey's Here comes the sun is equally brilliant as Sid Vicious' My way, because in both cases there's only ONE person in the world able of doing the cover the way it's done. fock the originals.

"Brilliant" in the same way infants & mentally deficient people like "shiny things".

madformac · #28 03-06-2006, 12:08 PM

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Okay. Where did you hear this, though? Where can I find the story?

I'm hunting through my clippings and books. I'll post it or a link when I find it. I read it about 3 years back if I'm correct.

madformac · #29 03-06-2006, 12:10 PM

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"Brilliant" in the same way infants & mentally deficient people like "shiny things".

Jyqm · #30 03-06-2006, 12:59 PM

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I'm hunting through my clippings and books. I'll post it or a link when I find it. I read it about 3 years back if I'm correct.

Okay, thanks, let me know if you find it! I also remember reading something somewhere that claimed "Here Comes The Sun" was a response to "Albatross," but I recall it being in one of those Fleetwood Mac books not exactly known for its accuracy (that narrows it down, doesn't it?), so I assumed it was a mistake on the author's part, getting his or her "Sun" songs mixed up.