How would YOU induct stevie into the rock n roll hall of fame?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Until the R&RHoF rectifies their mistake and inducts Bob Welch as a member of Fleetwood Mac, the R&RHoF will remain a sham.

Just remember. Donna Jean Godcheaux (who?) got inducted into the R&RHoF as a member of Grateful Dead, yet Bob Welch wasn't considered worthy of induction as a member of Fleetwood Mac.

Injustice? You bet.

where the freakin' hell is the applause smilie!

[SuzeQuze]

I'd have Petty and Sheryl do it. Maybe Mick too if he promised not to make it about himself.

[Boots]

Wouldn't it be bizarro-world if Lindsey did that induction? OMG...that would be the ultimate in forgiveness...

Just imagining it - I don't think it would ever happen that way.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Until the R&RHoF rectifies their mistake and inducts Bob Welch as a member of Fleetwood Mac, the R&RHoF will remain a sham.

Yes, clearly Bob Welch's exclusion is the only thing making the RRHOF a sham.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

why was he considered unworthy?

It doesn't really have anything to do with "worth." The RRHOF is a commercial & political body like any other that puts on awards ceremonies. Their biggest concern is self-promotion.

So what's important is not who is "worthy" of induction (and, after all, the very idea of an institutionalized rock & roll hall of fame is pretty counterintuitive in and of itself anyway), but who is going to make for a prestigious looking list and (most importantly) a popular awards show broadcast. Fleetwood Mac were eligible for induction in 1993, when interest in the band was at an all-time low. It's not a coincidence that the Hall of Fame waited five years and then suddenly decided to induct them after The Dance was released and sold millions of copies. (And inducting The Eagles and The Mamas & The Papas the same year made for a nice California pop theme, don't you think?)

As for why Bob Welch (along with Weston, Walker, Burnette, Vito, Mason, Bramlett, and Brunning) wasn't inducted, simple: Nobody knows or cares who Bob Welch is anymore. The RRHOF had no reason to want to induct him. Actually, if I recall correctly, they didn't really care whether or not they inducted Peter, Jeremy and Danny, either, but Mick insisted. And it worked out anyway, since neither Jeremy nor Danny showed up, and Carlos Santana was also finally being inducted, so they got to publicize a joint performance of "Black Magic Woman."

Mick and the other inductees also could have insisted that Bob and the rest be inducted as well (that's what the Grateful Dead did - they simply demanded that more or less everyone who had ever been involved in a Grateful Dead project be inducted under the name of the Grateful Dead), but they didn't really care enough to. I'm sure there were some more complicated politics involved, but basically what it boils down to is that the members of the band who were inducted could have pressured the Hall of Fame into inducting everybody else if they'd really wanted to.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

It doesn't really have anything to do with "worth." The RRHOF is a commercial & political body like any other that puts on awards ceremonies. They're biggest concern is self-promotion.

So what's important is not who is "worthy" of induction (and, after all, the very idea of an institutionalized rock & roll hall of fame is pretty counterintuitive in and of itself anyway), but who is going to make for a prestigious looking list and (most importantly) a popular awards show broadcast. Fleetwood Mac were eligible for induction in 1993, when interest in the band was at an all-time low. It's not a coincidence that the Hall of Fame waited five years and then suddenly decided to induct them after The Dance was released and sold millions of copies. (And inducting The Eagles and The Mamas & The Papas the same year made for a nice California pop theme, don't you think?)

As for why Bob Welch (along with Weston, Walker, Burnette, Vito, Mason, Bramlett, and Brunning) wasn't inducted, simple: Nobody knows or cares who Bob Welch is anymore. The RRHOF had no reason to want to induct him. Actually, if I recall correctly, they didn't really care whether or not they inducted Peter, Jeremy and Danny, either, but Mick insisted. And it worked out anyway, since neither Jeremy nor Danny showed up, and Carlos Santana was also finally being inducted, so they got to publicize a joint performance of "Black Magic Woman."

Mick and the other inductees also could have insisted that Bob and the rest be inducted as well (that's what the Grateful Dead did - they simply demanded that more or less everyone who had ever been involved in a Grateful Dead project be inducted under the name of the Grateful Dead), but they didn't really care enough to. I'm sure there were some more complicated politics involved, but basically what it boils down to it that the members of the band who were inducted could have pressured the Hall of Fame into inducting everybody else if they'd really wanted to.

I was just using the words chiliD used...

and thanks for the explanation. I find that horrible. ALL members should have been inducted, IMO.

[JeannieKartis]

thanks, I didn't remember Peter Green being there....he hasn't aged as well as the rest of them...lol
I wouldn't be surprised if Stevie is not inducted as a solo artist since she was with FM....

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by JeannieKartis

I wouldn't be surprised if Stevie is not inducted as a solo artist since she was with FM....

That doesn't really have too much to do with it; John, Paul and George are all in there for their solo work (sorry, Ringo). As is Eric Clapton. And Michael Jackson, of course. If there's a substantial enough solo career, they're happy to induct people for that even if they've already been inducted as members of a band.* I mean, hey, if they can get big name to come back to their ceremony and boost ratings, why not? So it will just depend on whether or not they think that Stevie is enough of a draw, and that her catalogue is prestigious enough, to put her in there again. (I'm not counting on it anytime soon, unless she does something that puts her back into the public eye in a big way.)

*Interestingly, Janis Joplin has been inducted, but Big Brother & the Holding Company have not.

[JeannieKartis]

I agree...unfortunately I don't think she is appealing to the masses these days, although it would be a shame not to include her. And FM should have pushed to include everyone that had been in the band at one time or another ....

[Kelly]

I really do not see STevie getting inducted anytime soon. I think it also helps if you have a label behind the scenes campaigning for you.....which I am not sure WB will be doing for her, come November.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Yes, clearly Bob Welch's exclusion is the only thing making the RRHOF a sham.