Rhiannon VS I'm So Afraid - Page 2

WildInTheWind · #16 12-19-2005, 06:21 PM

I don't dislike the studio Rhiannon. Though it is 100% better live in the 70's. I'm not big on the modern live Rhiannon's. They are ok, but compared to the 70's version? Nah. I can't stand the studio I'm So Afraid. I like the 70's live versions (again) best, but there are alot of great versions of ISA from now, too.

SteveMacD · #17 12-19-2005, 07:35 PM

Hmmm, I think the live versions of "Rhiannon" from the '70s were best, though "I'm So Afraid" seems to have aged MUCH better in concert. I also love both studio versions.

I especially love the studio version of "Rhiannon," especially when compared to the live Buckingham Nicks version. The latter was good, though sounds like any other band you'd see in any bar in any city in North America. The Mac's studio version shows just how critical Mick and the McVies really were to THAT sound. John's bassline is very bluesy. Christine's electric keyboard gives the song a wonderfully creepy eliment that suits the lyrics perfectly. Micks slightly behind the beat drumming gives the song an added tension. Add to that the haunting harmonies, and you've got rock perfection.

michelle2677 · #18 12-19-2005, 08:20 PM

I agree that ISA and Rhiannon are much better live than studio.

But I'm interested as to why you did not pick Big Love for Liddy.

anywho...yes..def the dance version of ISA is the best of all. I just watched it last night and can never get enough of it. To think, I used to skip that song!!

on to Rhiannon-the studio is just blah, although it does give me a nostalgic feeling and takes me back to my childhood. Favorite by far is Rhiannon Rosebud. Nothing beats it. Ever. Second would be SYW. I like the ..."weeeeeelllllll...I don't THINK YOU DO!!" saaasssyy!!!

David · #19 12-19-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic

Both songs, R and ISA, are far better in live performances. My favorite Rhiannon is from the Live album, where Stevie is more powerful (of course, she was younger, though the Dance version is very elegant).

ISA, I love the Dance version. The Live version I think is too large (the intro I guess).

GYOW is great in the Live album too, Lindsey's voice was better for this song during the 70s

I haven't heard a single version of GYOW, Rhiannon or I'm So Afraid during the past twenty years that I felt was anywhere near as good as some really old-time performances. Either the lead vocalist is spent & hoarse with age or the soloing/playing is just sort of boringly derivative of earlier licks & riffs.

I disagree with the members of the band who say they're playing better in their 50s & 60s than they were in their 30s. I just don't hear the improvement. In fact, I hear a lot of stalling & hesitating these days, like Rin Tin Tin making his way gingerly across the mine field. I hear no ball-busting opening up, splaying & flaying & filleting a fish in hot spattering oil.

elie · #20 12-20-2005, 03:34 AM

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But I'm interested as to why you did not pick Big Love for Liddy.

Wow! My thoughts exactly. I had the Tango in The Night album when it came out (I was about 13 or 14) and I didn't particularly like it, compared to, let's say, Stevie's songs. But when I heard the live acoustic version I realised that it is just great. And it kind of made me appreciate what a wonderful musician Lindsey is.

As fas as the other two are concerned I like them both performed live (now that I think about it, I like most of FM songs performed live!). Though if I had to choose between the two, I would say Rhiannon (esp. from Live in Boston). The Dance version is ok, but not as intense, IMO.

WildInTheWind · #21 12-20-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I haven't heard a single version of GYOW, Rhiannon or I'm So Afraid during the past twenty years that I felt was anywhere near as good as some really old-time performances. Either the lead vocalist is spent & hoarse with age or the soloing/playing is just sort of boringly derivative of earlier licks & riffs.

I disagree with the members of the band who say they're playing better in their 50s & 60s than they were in their 30s. I just don't hear the improvement. In fact, I hear a lot of stalling & hesitating these days, like Rin Tin Tin making his way gingerly across the mine field. I hear no ball-busting opening up, splaying & flaying & filleting a fish in hot spattering oil.

My thoughts exactly.

I like them now, but it's nothing like the younger days.

SteveMacD · #22 12-20-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I disagree with the members of the band who say they're playing better in their 50s & 60s than they were in their 30s.

For the most part, I agree. There is one exception, though, and that's John McVie. Of the lot, he just gets better and better with time. I'd also say that Lindsey's finger style has gotten better with time, but at the expense of his guitar solos.

HomerMcvie · #23 12-20-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

For the most part, I agree. There is one exception, though, and that's John McVie. Of the lot, he just gets better and better with time.

Me thinks you should make that claim, "THE McVies". Have you heard ITM? Christine sounds better than she did 30 years ago. Her voice has only gotten better with age. Smooth as silk.

Let's hear the other two singers, make that claim.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #24 12-20-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Me thinks you should make that claim, "THE McVies". Have you heard ITM? Christine sounds better than she did 30 years ago. Her voice has only gotten better with age. Smooth as silk.

ITA! Christine's vocals have only gotten better with age...like a fine wine! (Perhaps it was all that wine she drank over the years...

)! The vocals on ITM are superb, they blow me away...

Sahara · #25 12-20-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by michelle2677

I agree that ISA and Rhiannon are much better live than studio.

But I'm interested as to why you did not pick Big Love for Liddy.

anywho...yes..def the dance version of ISA is the best of all. I just watched it last night and can never get enough of it. To think, I used to skip that song!!

on to Rhiannon-the studio is just blah, although it does give me a nostalgic feeling and takes me back to my childhood. Favorite by far is Rhiannon Rosebud. Nothing beats it. Ever. Second would be SYW. I like the ..."weeeeeelllllll...I don't THINK YOU DO!!" saaasssyy!!!

Yes yes yes and yes!

I didn't hear the studio version of Big Love for a long time, I only knew The Dance version. It blows me away to this day, it just explodes into your ears. I marvel at how he can get that much music out of one guitar ...

I love both versions. I kind of regard them as two different songs in a way ... Soundstage Big Love was AWESOME.

And as for the "Weeeelll ... I don't THINK YOU DO!!" .... ah, is there anyone out there who doesn't love it? OK, yes, probably, I'm sure it's been debated to death. But it's sassy personified, no doubt.

As for The Dance Rhiannon ... yes, it's a bit less intense than the other versions. But I think it flows very elegantly, very beautiful song rather than the explosive raw beast it usually is. Yes, that's a good thing.

Gazza · #26 12-20-2005, 03:32 PM

To me, saying that the pre-Model 1 live versions of I'm So Afraid are the best is as peculiar as saying that the post 70s live versions of Rhiannon are.

Gazza · #27 12-20-2005, 03:38 PM

By the way, does anyone have the Concert for the Environment version of I'm Ao Afraid, and if so could they put it up on some file sharing site for those of us who still haven't heard it?

skcin · #28 12-20-2005, 04:39 PM

I like both songs better live. Rhiannon was best around 75/76, but I do like it all the way up to the Mirage Tour. After that - meh. The Dance version bores me. SYW was slightly better, some shows in particular. I do love "I don't think you do" although it bothers me slightly that it's not "I don't think you would."

ISA. I may get clobbered for this, but I really don't care. I think it's best when Stevie's on backing vocals for the "black as night", etc. parts. That's my main requirement for this song. Other than that, I don't think it's been disappointing on any tour, it's always good. My fave of LB's "guitar solo" tunes to hear & see live. It's just spectacular.

David · #29 12-20-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazza

By the way, does anyone have the Concert for the Environment version of I'm Ao Afraid, and if so could they put it up on some file sharing site for those of us who still haven't heard it?

If you're referring to the Tough on Toxics show in Long Beach back in 1986, here:

http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...P3OU86259HS1TD

DavidMn · #30 12-21-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Hmmm, I think the live versions of "Rhiannon" from the '70s were best, though "I'm So Afraid" seems to have aged MUCH better in concert. I also love both studio versions.

I especially love the studio version of "Rhiannon," especially when compared to the live Buckingham Nicks version. The latter was good, though sounds like any other band you'd see in any bar in any city in North America. The Mac's studio version shows just how critical Mick and the McVies really were to THAT sound. John's bassline is very bluesy. Christine's electric keyboard gives the song a wonderfully creepy eliment that suits the lyrics perfectly. Micks slightly behind the beat drumming gives the song an added tension. Add to that the haunting harmonies, and you've got rock perfection.

Good analysis. I can certainly appriciate where you're coming from.