Any Airplane Fans

[Johnny Stew]

Surely this thread has a misleading title.

[Livia]

Do you like gladiator movies? Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Oops, my bad...honestly, I thought you meant the TV show, Airline (the Southwest one), which I love!

Jefferson Airplane - meh - I don't have any of their albums, but I enjoy the hits and definitely appreciate them and their place in rock and roll history, yadda, yadda, yadda. Grace Slick is a very talented artist and she's got a great set of pipes.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Surely this thread has a misleading title.

Yeah, but would you have even looked if it said "Any Starship Fans?"

I guess because I'm in '60s music mode, I figured this is what the thread was about.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Surely this thread has a misleading title.

It does. And stop calling me Shirley.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Livia

It does. And stop calling me Shirley.

THANK YOU! I've been waiting for half an hour for someone to take the ball and run with it!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

THANK YOU! I've been waiting for half an hour for someone to take the ball and run with it!

You're welcome!

[golddustwoman77]

I LOVE Jefferson Airplane! All you have to do is look at my signature to know that. They are one of my favorite bands, because I love their unique sound and interesting lyrics. I have all of their albums on vinyl and most of them on CD. If you don't have the out of print Jefferson Airplane Loves You box set, you should definitely hunt it down on Amazon.com used. It is well worth it--nice set. Fly Jefferson Airplane is an excellent DVD, as well. Also, at Sundazed.com, you can purchase a Great Society(the band that Grace as in before Jefferson Airplane) CD. It is interesting to hear the original "Somebody to Love." If you post over on the Jefferson Airplane official site, I post there as well. It is an interesting place to read and post.

[strandinthewind]

Here is a cool interview with Slick that contains the shotgun incident and other tidbits

December 1, 1992
LIFE Special Issue: 40 Years of Rock 'N' Roll
"A Session with Grace Slick"
photo by Brian Lanker (Grace is wearing black pants, shirt and jacket, she is reclining on a tie-dyed blanket, a white rabbit is hopping above her head.)
** Flash back to the Summer of Love - 1967 - the Haight, San Francisco. The music that personified those acid days sprang from the Jefferson Airplane and its lead singer, Grace Slick, who sent her mezzo-soprano soaring and broke
the psychedelic sound barrier. The Airplane's masterpiece, "Surrealistic Pillow," put the band over the top with such hits as "Somebody To Love" and "White Rabbit." The group's concerts became more than mere aural experiences; they
were be-ins, chaotic happenings with hour-long jams, light shows and audiences that behaved like they were part of the performance. In early 1974, after the Airplane started splitting up, Slick and Paul Kantner - the father of her daughter, China, now an aspiring actress - formed the Jefferson Starship.

Slick sang on the group's biggest hits, "Miracles" (1975), "We Built This City" (1985) and "Sara" (1986.) The Airplane reunited in 1989, but with little success. LIFE Los Angeles bureau chief Jim Calio spoke with Slick at
her home in Mill Valley, Cailf. where she lives with her husband, Skip Johnson, Prince's production manager. Now 52 and a recovering alcoholic, she hasn't performed in 3 years because of a back injury - but she can still
rattle a tape recorder with the best of them.**

Question: "There are a lot of stories about how wild you were in the 60's. Are they all true?"

Grace: "Yeah, they're probably true. It's just that I don't remember them."

Q: "Did you grow up normal?"

Grace: "I was a pretty standard representative of an individual at that age, coming out of the 50's ethic that was very bland, very naive. My father was a banker. My mother wore nylons and heels and a skirt and sweater, and she
had her hair done and wore jewelry every day. The house was spotless. The adults had an Eisenhower is-going -to-take-care-of-everything attitude; it was dumb- on-purpose time. We were the first generation to be educated on a mass basis, and what we learned in college was the ability to think about what was happening."

Q: "How did you get involved in music?"

Grace: "I was working as a model for I.Magnum's in San Francisco - this was around 1965. I went to see this group called Jefferson Airplane. I looked at them and thought, "Gee, they're having a lot more fun than I am. They get to drink beer, hang out and just have fun. And it's better pay." It was just a matter of thinking that they had a better job than I did. So I started singing with another band - The Great Society - and pretty soon there were personnel changes in the Airplane, so I joined them."

Q: "Did you model your singing style on anyone in particular?"

Grace: "No, I came out of nothing. Most artists had a background in blues or folk. I just went right into electric music. I was born for rock 'n' roll. My voice is not a particularly good instrument. It's got a limited range. I can't sing a lullaby - I mean if I ever tried singing lullabies to China when she was a baby I would have ripped her ears off. I've got a very loud, full voice."

Q: "Did drugs fuel the music of the era?"

Grace: "Well, psychedelics were it - mushrooms, acid, marijuana. For the generation of the 60's, they were thought of as opening up a new way of seeing. You got a glimpse of other ways of interpreting, of communicating. It was very powerful. And there's no question that it affected our performances. Up onstage, you could just do whatever you wanted for acouple of hours - of five , depending on how loaded the audience was. The audience was just as screwed up as we were. we'd let people come onstage and take off their clothes. It was just anything goes."

Q: "Did drugs cause musicians like JANIS JOPLIN to self-destruct?"

Grace: "I knew Janis. People always ask me if she really killed herself, and I tell them I don't think so. I think what happened is that - well, your body chemistry changes. It's really tricky. So what you might have been able to handle one day or one week, your body can't handle the next day or week. Janis had just got a brand new band and a new boyfriend. I didn't think she was consciously trying to kill herself."

Q: "What about Jim Morrison of The Doors?"

Grace: "I don't know. We co-headlined with them in Europe, and was that funny. We were in Amsterdam - drugs were legal there - and we'd all be walking down the street and kids would walk up and hand us these drugs.
We'd maybe smoke one toke off a joint or something. Well, Jim took everything everyone offered him. And by the time we had to play that night, he couldn't. He came onstage during our performance, and he was like a pinwheel. I mean,
he was just flailing all over. They had to take him away. But I don't think it was suicidal. It was just...push it to the edge, see whether it's going to fall off or not."

Q: "There's a story that you once tried to crash the White House when Tricia Nixon was giving a party."

Grace: "I'd gone to Finch, and so did Tricia. It's a finishing school for girls who don't have the grades to get into Vassar but their parents have money. So she decided to have a tea for the people who had gone to Finch on the last 5,000 years or something. I got an invitation. I invited (60's radical) Abbie Hoffman to go with me. Standing in line outside the White House we looked totally different from everybody else. A security guard came up and said, "I'm sorry, you can't come in." I said, "But I have an invitation." I showed him. My maiden name is Wing, so that's what was on the invitation. He said, "Prove it's you." And so I pulled out some identification. And they went back to their little security box and called people and came back and said, "No, I'm sorry you can't come in. You're a security risk." They had found out that not only was I not Grace Wing, I was also Grace Slick. I don't know if they recognized Abbie because they didn't say anything to him. Anyway, I know what teas are like. There's a long table with maybe two tea urns. You have your best friend pouring tea. You stand around with your teacup, talking to people. I figured that maybe I could talk to Richard over a cup of tea."

Q: "Richard - as in President Richard Nixon?"

Grace: "Right. I had a coat on with pockets, and at the bottom of one pocket was some LSD in powder form. You get some under your fingernails, and as you're talking to Tricky Dick, you gesture over his teacup. We got hysterical
thinking about how the White House would react to him going, "The walls are melting." So they were right. I was a security risk."

Q: "Was there a special moment when you realized "the 60's" was dead?"

Grace: "Nothing really specific. But I noticed that things were starting to get monotonous. There was no joy in the audience anymore. In the 70's they wanted to hear a song just the way it was on the record. Everybody started getting into booze and into Quaaludes and going to Studio 54 - stuff like that. It was all very mindless. And so was I."

Q: "You had an alcohol problem."

Grace: "Alcohol was kind of a put down, because it was identified as the older generation's drug. It turned out to be my drug of choice - it's extremely relaxing to an alcoholic. People say, "Why would you do that?" Wouldn't you if it made you feel beautiful, smart, energized, blah, blah, blah? And then it turns you into a jerk, or you die."

Q: "Was the Woodstock music festival in 1969 a watershed?"

Grace: "We played Woodstock. We thought it was big - and we thought it would be big for maybe six months. But we didn't think it would hang around this long. And Altamont was sort of the yin-yan."

Q: "Altamont was later that year, when a Hell's Angel stabbed a concertgoer."

Grace: "I remember the day just didn't feel right. We had used the Hell's Angels a lot for security during free oncerts, and they didn't beat heads. We went on before the Stones [who were playing when the murder occured.] Spence (Spencer Dryden) was playing the drums, and he kind of let up. I wasn't wearing my contact lenses, and I said, Spence, what's going on? I can't see." He said, "Marty (Balin) is fighting with a Hell's Angel." Well, a Hell's Angel was beating up on somebody, and Marty said, "Stop that." They exchanged some words, unprintable in a family magazine, so the guy knocked him down. You got the feeling that this was not going to work. But as old Bob Dylan said, the times were a-changing. No more peace and love. Now it was, "you're pissing me off." We got just as selfish and nasty as anybody else. We thought that wouldn't happen because we were so spectacular in the 60's. We were different. We had the arrogence of youth. We thought we were immortal, and we could change it all."

Q: "Any regrets?"

Grace: "No. The ideals from that time are still alive...somewhere. I believe that. When you get older, you realize that it takes a little longer to put those ideals into practice. We supposedly have a logical brain, but we haven't figured out how to use it yet. Now everybody is sucking on their personal neurosis. Now it's popular, with therapy and all that stuff, to say, "I have a problem with closeness issues." That stuff bores me stiff. I like global whining rather than personal whining. Music is more tribal. Heavy Metal thinks Folk is a bunch of jerks. New Wave thinks Rap is stupid. And the kids have to worry about the planet falling apart. There are too many of us. I like human beings. I like pandas - but I wouldn't want to see 800 million of them all over."

Q: "Do you miss the 60's?"

Grace: "No, not really. I did it. It's like asking do you miss the fourth grade? I loved the fourth grade when I was in it, but I don't want to do it again."


UPDATE: August 21, 1994
Q: "Grace Slick, an icon of the 1960's, seems to have disappeared from the concert stage. What is she doing? Does she still sing?"

A: "Grace Slick, 54, the former model and lead singer of the rock group Jefferson Airplane and its successor, Jefferson Starship, hasn't been singing on stage in recent years mainly for one reason: She has been too busy
getting into trouble with the law. Last March, Slick threatened policemen with an unloaded shotgun and was charged with one felony count and one misdemeanor for brandishing a weapon. The police found her blood alcohol level at 0.18 - nearly twice the legal limit for operating a vehicle. The felony was later dropped, and she entered a plea to a isdemeanor and was put on probation. The judge ordered her to perform 200 hours of community service
and to submit to random drug testing. Today, Slick attends 4 alcoholics Anonymous meetings a week and is seeing a psychotherapist."

[Richard B]

It looks like a big tylenol.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Her voice was not a well rounded instrument - she essentially was just loud - and I love it.

I've always liked her voice! I think she has a great set of pipes, but then again, I like the wailing banshees: Ann Wilson, Stevie Nicks, Cyndi Lauper, Linda Ronstadt, Tina Turner, etc, etc..

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I've always liked her voice! I think she has a great set of pipes, but then again, I like the wailing banshees: Ann Wilson, Stevie Nicks, Cyndi Lauper, Linda Ronstadt, Tina Turner, etc, etc..

Oh me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by The Chain

So, just curious if we have any real, true Jefferson Airplane fans here. I know there are probably some casual fans around, (White Rabbit, Somebody To Love) But I've wondered for the longest time if anyone here on The Ledge who is a "big" fan, like me Does anyone own After Bathing At Baxter's ? Bark? Dare I ask (diving deeper into the catolouge) Paul Kantner's Blows Against the Empire (one of my favorites) ? Or any of Paul/Grace's other solo stuff?

Anyway, just wondering if we have anyone here who appreciates the pure brilliance of the band (just my oppinion). Jorma Kaukonean is one of the most underrated, (in my oppinion), original guitarists of rock music. Jack Cassidy is one of the most tallented bassists I have ever heard. Grace is just an awsome person all together, the voice, the lyrics, but.

Paul Kantner is a genius!

Didn't mean to rant...

Does Sunfighter, Manhole, Baron Von Tollbooth & Long John Silver among the rest of the Airplane catalogue (like Bless Its Pointed Little Head, 30 Seconds Over Winterland, etc count? (as well as a few Hot Tuna albums, too!)

Truthfully, though, being that I HAVE all that on vinyl (and HAVE had for a number of years), they don't get played much at all...and haven't for about 20-25 years. AND, I actually thought that Signe Anderson has/had a better voice than Grace Slick, but she didn't have the stage presence of the Grace-meister.


And for the folks who took the thread title differently:

"You're not Roger Murdock, you're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and my dad says you're lazy & don't hustle to play defense..."

[The Chain]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Does Sunfighter, Manhole, Baron Von Tollbooth & Long John Silver among the rest of the Airplane catalogue (like Bless Its Pointed Little Head, 30 Seconds Over Winterland, etc count? (as well as a few Hot Tuna albums, too!)

Truthfully, though, being that I HAVE all that on vinyl (and HAVE had for a number of years), they don't get played much at all...and haven't for about 20-25 years. AND, I actually thought that Signe Anderson has/had a better voice than Grace Slick, but she didn't have the stage presence of the Grace-meister.


And for the folks who took the thread title differently:

"You're not Roger Murdock, you're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and my dad says you're lazy & don't hustle to play defense..."

I know this thread has been dead...but I had to reply to this one (I've been having computer problems...)

But yes, Baron Von Tollbooth and Sunfighter, and Long John Silver (all VERY underrated albums) count! I love Baron Von Tollbooth the most, Sketches Of China is awsome. Your Mind Has Left Your Body is great, Walkin, Ballad Of The Chrome Nun... perfection.
And with Sunfighter you get, well, Sunfighter, the title track is one of the best. Also like Diana Part I/Diana Part II.

And with Long John Silver, you get Easter, Aerie (Gang Of Eagles) Eat Starch Mom (one of the Airplane's Most Underrated songs!), Alexander The Medium, Twilight Double Leader. They're all great, I hope you get around to listening to em more often

[xdreamsunwindx]

I have Surrealistic Pillow, and The Worst of Jefferson Airplane. I don't have anything else, though. I like the Airplane a lot, and know lots of the songs - I just don't have all the albums. I know my mom has some somewhere in this house.

Weird 60's music is awesome. I seriously feel tripped out when I listen to it.

[BombaySapphire3]

Grace's autobiography "Somebody to Love' is a hilarious read .I've quoted her remarks about old people on a rock 'n roll stage on here a few times to rather ill effect.I wonder why?