asthma and hamburgers

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

You should see how much thin people can eat!

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

You a big eater Curtis?

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by Richard B

Look at the source: NZ. Explains everything. Besides a burger is just red meat...as for the salt comment they make...that is something the cook adds or doesn't.

Most studies like this that claim to isolate a single cause of whatever medical condition are largely bull****, anyway.

Notice that the article is very slippery in its terminology: it seems to use the terms "hamburger" and "fast food" interchangably. But there's a world of difference there. If I buy some lean red meat and make my own hamburger on my grill, and put some argula and fresh tomato and maybe just a little bleu cheese on there and a little ketchup or mustard, the nutritional content is going to be very different from a Big Mac at McDonald's, made with fattier, saltier meat that's fried in its own grease and loaded with "special sauce" (which is what, a slight variation on thousand island dressing, which has lots of mayonnaise in it?), and served with greasy salty French fries and a Coke.

So are hamburgers causing asthma? I really doubt it. If kids who eat lots of hamburgers tend to have more problems with asthma than kids who don't eat lots of hamburgers, it's probably because the hamburger-eating kids are eating at greasy fast food restaurants and have parents who might not cook them other, more healthful meals or encourage them to exercise, whereas the no-hamburger kids probably have parents who feed them more healthful stuff all around and are more concerned with an over-all healthy lifestyle for their kids.

But most people wouldn't read an article that examiend all those kinds of factors. Most people want to read an article that says, "Here's the one thing that's causing your problem, and if you just steer clear of that one thing, your problem will go away." Same reason people go on these fad diets rather than trying to figure out how to construct a balanced diet for themselves and find the time to develop a good exercise routine.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Most studies like this that claim to isolate a single cause of whatever medical condition are largely bull****, anyway.

Notice that the article is very slippery in its terminology: it seems to use the terms "hamburger" and "fast food" interchangably. But there's a world of difference there. If I buy some lean red meat and make my own hamburger on my grill, and put some argula and fresh tomato and maybe just a little bleu cheese on there and a little ketchup or mustard, the nutritional content is going to be very different from a Big Mac at McDonald's, made with fattier, saltier meat that's fried in its own grease and loaded with "special sauce" (which is what, a slight variation on thousand island dressing, which has lots of mayonnaise in it?), and served with greasy salty French fries and a Coke.

So are hamburgers causing asthma? I really doubt it. If kids who eat lots of hamburgers tend to have more problems with asthma than kids who don't eat lots of hamburgers, it's probably because the hamburger-eating kids are eating at greasy fast food restaurants and have parents who might not cook them other, more healthful meals or encourage them to exercise, whereas the no-hamburger kids probably have parents who feed them more healthful stuff all around and are more concerned with an over-all healthy lifestyle for their kids.

But most people wouldn't read an article that examiend all those kinds of factors. Most people want to read an article that says, "Here's the one thing that's causing your problem, and if you just steer clear of that one thing, your problem will go away." Same reason people go on these fad diets rather than trying to figure out how to construct a balanced diet for themselves and find the time to develop a good exercise routine.

Arugula is like a fancy lettuce, right?

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

Arugula is like a fancy lettuce, right?

Kind of, yeah. It's more like little leaves as opposed to a big crunchy piece of lettuce.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Kind of, yeah. It's more like little leaves as opposed to a big crunchy piece of lettuce.

Oh ok. Sounds tasty. I always like trying new foods like that I havent before

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

If I buy some lean red meat and make my own hamburger on my grill, and put some argula and fresh tomato and maybe just a little bleu cheese on there and a little ketchup or mustard, the nutritional content is going to be very different from a Big Mac at McDonald's, made with fattier, saltier meat that's fried in its own grease and loaded with "special sauce" (which is what, a slight variation on thousand island dressing, which has lots of mayonnaise in it?), and served with greasy salty French fries and a Coke.

So true. I have not eaten fast food in over 8 years. It's absolute garbage.

You nailed it with your burger. I do the same, I buy the leanest (Top Sirloin) red meat and cook it up gourmet...add some Feta Cheese, and occasionally grilled onions (using olive oil)...add fresh Roma tomatoes and baby greens...it tastes so good that I actually do not even add any mustard, ketchup, or mayo. The taste of the food itself is quite good. I make burgers frequently for friends and neighbors. They love them. For carb trackers, I'll lose the bun and place there burger on top of red leaf lettuce, but still add the feta, tomatoes, onions. Yum.

I'm hungry now.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

Oh ok. Sounds tasty. I always like trying new foods like that I havent before

Yeah, it's good stuff! I like hamburgers made on the grill with some fresh greens and tomato on top way better than the greasy stuff you get at most fast food places.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Yeah, it's good stuff! I like hamburgers made on the grill with some fresh greens and tomato on top way better than the greasy stuff you get at most fast food places.

I know. I need to do more of that. How you like your burgers? Medium rare here.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

I know. I need to do more of that. How you like your burgers? Medium rare here.

Hell yeah. Good and pink and if there's still a little blood and juice getting soaked up by the bottom half of the bun, that's just fine by me. I can't stand it when restaurants cook the **** out of their meat because they're so terrified someone's gonna get salmonella and sue. I'll take the risk, jsut gimme my pink center!

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Hell yeah. Good and pink and if there's still a little blood and juice getting soaked up by the bottom half of the bun, that's just fine by me. I can't stand it when restaurants cook the **** out of their meat because they're so terrified someone's gonna get salmonella and sue. I'll take the risk, jsut gimme my pink center!

I dont get people that do their meat well done.. EWWWW Also, whenever I go to a nice steak resturant, it makes me gag when people use A1. Dammit I just paid $35 for this steak, it better be good on its own!!

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Hell yeah. Good and pink and if there's still a little blood and juice getting soaked up by the bottom half of the bun, that's just fine by me. I can't stand it when restaurants cook the **** out of their meat because they're so terrified someone's gonna get salmonella and sue. I'll take the risk, jsut gimme my pink center!

A risk it is. When at home, I cook red meat on the rarer side...makes for a juicer burger for sure. However, I'm very picky when I eat at a restaurant, especially if I'm unfamiliar with the restaurant, so I usually request a more well cooked piece of meat.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Richard B

A risk it is. When at home, I cook red meat on the rarer side...makes for a juicer burger for sure. However, I'm very picky when I eat at a restaurant, especially if I'm unfamiliar with the restaurant, so I usually request a more well cooked piece of meat.

That makes sense when you're at an unfamiliar place. I mght have mine made Medium then.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

But most people wouldn't read an article that examiend all those kinds of factors. Most people want to read an article that says, "Here's the one thing that's causing your problem, and if you just steer clear of that one thing, your problem will go away." Same reason people go on these fad diets rather than trying to figure out how to construct a balanced diet for themselves and find the time to develop a good exercise routine.

When you hear "You shouldn't drink milk, it causes this and that and the other." Then, on the news a week later, "Drink milk, it is healthy for you." Yada, yada, yada...I'm sick of all the contradictions. I'm gonna eat what I want, thanks. We live in a society that wants quick fixes and quick news bites.

Everyone's bodies are different, like some of ya'll have said. Some people can exercise and lose weight, some can't seem to do so. Some folks can eat unhealthy and be thin....others can't.

Walking seems to work for me, as I lost about 15 pounds or so when I went to England for 3 weeks back in 2003. I don't eat as much as I used to either. I've floated around the 140 pound mark for the past 5+ years. I'm not fat, but I could tone up a bit and stand to lose that 15 pounds again.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

When you hear "You shouldn't drink milk, it causes this and that and the other." Then, on the news a week later, "Drink milk, it is healthy for you." Yada, yada, yada...I'm sick of all the contradictions. I'm gonna eat what I want, thanks. We live in a society that wants quick fixes and quick news bites.

Everyone's bodies are different, like some of ya'll have said. Some people can exercise and lose weight, some can't seem to do so. Some folks can eat unhealthy and be thin....others can't.

Walking seems to work for me, as I lost about 15 pounds or so when I went to England for 3 weeks back in 2003. I don't eat as much as I used to either. I've floated around the 140 pound mark for the past 5+ years. I'm not fat, but I could tone up a bit and stand to lose that 15 pounds again.

Sounds like youre on the right track. Good for you.