Jailbirds - Page 2

strandinthewind · #16 09-21-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

Huh?

Well, if you feel so strongly about it, I think you should be the executioner. Have you ever inflicted such judgement on people? Have you ever seen someone killed for a crime? I have and let me tell you it is much easier to sit in judgment than it is to carry out the execution by either electrocution or a firing squad. But, you said "a bullet," which implies one person with a gun shooting another. Could you do that day in and day out. I am unsure if I could.

In any event, here is the history of the DP if you are interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment

Also and for what it is worth, the US Const. seemingly prohibits the DP for anything but reason and capital crimes.

gldstwmn · #17 09-21-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hayley

Or they've made a relatively minor mistake and are getting the book thrown at them when in comparison someone who has done a crime that is so much vaster in comparison gets a fine and some community service hours.

Not all prisons are like that. Cable TV. Haaaa. And anyhow, I believe that the true effect on a person of going to prison has nothing to do with what goes on inside of those walls. It's the family and friends those people have to leave behind that are damaged. It's coming OUT of prison, with the world having moved on without you. Never ABLE to actually rehabilitate because no one will hire you and you're treated as a leper. Somebody can be sentenced to jail for a year and have their whole lives ruined.

A fair amount of them are in for drug related offenses with little to no rehabilitation.

gldstwmn · #18 09-21-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hayley

My 21-year old brother has been sitting in a county jail for a year and two months. He's never planned on going to trial, yet he still only PLED three weeks ago and will be sentenced in two weeks. Unless a miracle happens, he will be sentenced to five years in prison for trying to steal $100 from a convenience store register because he was hopped up and needed a fix. His cell is smack in the middle between a sex offender who molested at LEAST thirty children while he worked as an elementary school custodian on one side and a gentleman who brutally raped and murdered a 17-year old lifeguard at a pool a couple of years ago. Yeah. It's a walk in the park there. Please.

Meanwhile, a businessman in my hometown who stole tens of millions of dollars from his company, causing the company to go into bankruptcy and layoffs of hundreds was given six months in minimum security prison, and a fine of $20,000. Wow. My baby brother goes to jail for five years for a stupid MISTAKE, and isn't helped along the way by being put into some kind of rehab or boot camp, where he BELONGS? and this asshole gets what doesn't even COUNT as a wrist slap?

Prisons suck, but the legal system that puts people IN them is where the real bull**** lies.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother Hayley.

gldstwmn · #19 09-21-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

The should NOT be afforded certain privleges that others get - ie: Cable tv.

I think this is just one of those urban legends. Personally, I don't know of any prison in my state or any other that offers cable television.

gldstwmn · #20 09-21-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

I'm sorry about your brother and what happened to him. I hope he can get the help he needs. I probably struck a personal nerve ther wit you.

What did you think you were going to do by starting this thread?

DavidMn · #21 09-21-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

What did you think you were going to do by starting this thread?

Well, I didnt expect that I guess. I just wanted to discuss it. I did say I was sorry if I touched a nerve with her relating to her brother.

gldstwmn · #22 09-21-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

Well, I didnt expect that I guess. I just wanted to discuss it. I did say I was sorry if I touched a nerve with her relating to her brother.

Okay, so do you have some factual data on cable in prisons that you'd like to share with us?

WildInTheWind · #23 09-21-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

OH yeah - it's undeniable that there is a HUGE problem with the prison system.

People with petty drug crimes - ie- a pocketful of Marijuana shouldn't be in prison with hard core sex offenders...

The justice system's priorities are severely out of whack.

They aren't all like that. My ex was in prison for a drug crime and he wasn't with any violent offenders. I know in MO they keep them seperate.

strandinthewind · #24 09-21-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Okay, so do you have some factual data on cable in prisons that you'd like to share with us?

They do get to watch some television. Here is an interesting article about Oregon prisons -

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...oncable07.html

Oregon prisoners getting cable
Cells being wired for TVs inmates buy themselves

Tuesday, October 7, 2003

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

PORTLAND -- In a couple of months, David Lahnala will be able to kick back on his bunk at the Oregon State Correctional Institution and surf more than a dozen channels on his own flat-panel television.

"I'll probably watch a lot of wildlife and educational stuff," said Lahnala, who is serving a life sentence for a double murder. He explained that the prison has shown mostly "Hollywood junk" during his first 15 years inside.

After decades of watching television in large groups on cellblock floors and in activity rooms, state prisoners are increasingly being offered another option: cable in cells.

Critics call the move criminal-coddling. Oregon Department of Corrections officials say prisons are crowded and losing recreation and education programs, so that guards are constantly breaking up bloody fistfights during group TV hours.

At Oregon State Correctional Institution, where an inmate was stabbed in the neck with a pencil for talking during TV time earlier this year, longtime Superintendent Jim Bartlett said he expects in-cell television to be "a good baby sitter."

As soon as that prison's canteen starts selling televisions in January, Lahnala and 319 other long-term inmates will get the freedom to flip from ESPN to the Discovery Channel in their cells.

Across the state, Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution is readying a "privileged housing" unit, with cells wired for cable.

Others are considering similar moves. And some prisons already have done it. Oregon State Penitentiary has offered an in-cell cable package to inmates since 1987.

Today, the maximum-security penitentiary in Salem is home to 1,900 of Oregon's most dangerous felons and their 1,124 personal televisions. They get 25 channels. On Death Row, if a resident can't afford to buy a television, the state will loan him one.

Corrections officials are quick to point out that taxpayers pay only for the electricity.

Prisoners buy televisions, which have 7-inch screens, with money they make from working behind bars. The cable is funded by collective inmate trust accounts.

But if state prisoners are going to get television, Steve Doell, president of Crime Victims United, thinks the activity should stay in the group setting.

"A lot of the problems these guys have is socialization -- getting along with others," Doell said. "So, how do you socialize them when they're sitting in their cell by themselves?"
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Note - I am not bothered by them having cable television.

DavidMn · #25 09-21-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Okay, so do you have some factual data on cable in prisons that you'd like to share with us?

Ok, ok I'm sorry I said anything. I wasnt trying to hurt anyone. I was just trying to express an opinion. Obviously I pissed you off.

I'm not an inflammatory person when I come in here, and I dont know why you feel the need to attack me.

reebokandlace · #26 09-21-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, if you feel so strongly about it, I think you should be the executioner. Have you ever inflicted such judgement on people? Have you ever seen someone killed for a crime? I have and let me tell you it is much easier to sit in judgment than it is to carry out the execution by either electrocution or a firing squad. But, you said "a bullet," which implies one person with a gun shooting another. Could you do that day in and day out. I am unsure if I could.
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Whoa! Slow down there Strand...I wasn't looking for a nomination.

I was just expressing an opinion. I am not looking to debate the issue really, nor did I want to personalize it. Just wanted to state an opinion and move on. Peace.

strandinthewind · #27 09-21-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by reebokandlace

Whoa! Slow down there Strand...I wasn't looking for a nomination. I was just expressing an opinion. I am not looking to debate the issue really, nor did I want to personalize it. Just wanted to state an opinion and move on.

Cool