Stevie and Lindsey's Big Fight

[lagringader&r]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Yes LB has some alleged concerns about respecting women. Don't know how true but the evidence did add up over the years....

My curiosity is killing me. You said women, but do you mean other alleged things like this with Stevie? Or other women?

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by lagringader&r

Hmm. I guess my response would be "if beating somebody up is love, that's really messed up."

I'm not trying to find any justification for what Lindsey apparently did (since I do believe that Stevie was telling the truth in that interview). However, Stevie definitely had no right to attack Lindsey either. And who knows if she's left out something from the story.
Lindsey has a violent side to his personality, and I think that's something that some of his music reflects too. At that point he was in a bad place emotionally, he may have acted on an impulse (and who hasn't done something extreme in a flash, only to regret it later), but it still doesn't give any real justification to what he did.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by lagringader&r

My curiosity is killing me. You said women, but do you mean other alleged things like this with Stevie? Or other women?

Carol Ann Harris went on the old Geraldo Rivera daytime tv show and said that Lindsey hit her or abused her or some such thing.

[LeighB04]

Abuse is a funny thing (well, strange funny): sometimes it can be a once off event, sometimes it becomes a habitual response to any situation.
With two women having mentioned Lindsey's violent behaviour it wouldn't surprise me if it's the latter, rather than him reacting to Stevie - although she could certainly have provoked him into certain irrational responses. It also doesn't mean that he's that way within his present family - his wife may just know how not to push his buttons, instead of what may have happened with both Stevie and Carol Ann (both presumably passionate and erratic people, by all aco****s).

[ELIUD]

My gut feeling is that there were a lot more physical altercations between the two of them. I remember one time Stevie was talking about attending the 'Purple Rain' premiere and she said she had to get up and leave when she saw Prince slap Apolonia whats-her-name in the movie. That was before the Tango fight on the car.

Then there was Lindsey's next girlfriend who came out on Geraldo or whichever Donahue clone show was big at the time and said he smacked her around as well. He allegedly yelled at her "you are all the same".

Plus 'Wild Heart' has always seemed to me like an anthem for battered women. So much blame, danger...and fighting. I love it though.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

Yeah I've known about this incident for a while and it never surprised me. Was this the same time that Lindsey said "Keep that crazy bitch away from me!" or was that during Tusk?

Yes. I believe that Mick also talked about this in his book. As I recall, LB was pretty pissed that he wrote what he did in his book.

As I recall, SN was yelling to LB, "How dare you do this to me" (blah, blah, blah) and was basically berating him. LB slapped SN and that is when she was "thrown" onto the car and he yelled, "Keep that schizophrenic bitch away from me!".

I think there was an article about this around the time SYW was released.

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by ELIUD

My gut feeling is that there were a lot more physical altercations between the two of them.

Well, iff we can trust him, in Mick's account of the incident he says that Lindsey had done it before, if I remember.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by face of glass

I'm not trying to find any justification for what Lindsey apparently did (since I do believe that Stevie was telling the truth in that interview). However, Stevie definitely had no right to attack Lindsey either.

Agreed. But for what it's worth, Stevie sounds like she takes responsibility for her part in the escalation in this interview.

- Jake

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by face of glass

I'm not trying to find any justification for what Lindsey apparently did (since I do believe that Stevie was telling the truth in that interview). However, Stevie definitely had no right to attack Lindsey either. And who knows if she's left out something from the story.
Lindsey has a violent side to his personality, and I think that's something that some of his music reflects too. At that point he was in a bad place emotionally, he may have acted on an impulse (and who hasn't done something extreme in a flash, only to regret it later), but it still doesn't give any real justification to what he did.

I agree. And that's the reason why I have a great admiration for him as an artist but there's a shadow about my idea of him as a man. I'm not saying he isn't changed, I don't know him. But what he did crossed a very clear line in my mind.

Romy

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by Serrart

I agree. And that's the reason why I have a great admiration for him as an artist but there's a shadow about my idea of him as a man. I'm not saying he isn't changed, I don't know him. But what he did crossed a very clear line in my mind.

Romy

Romy, when are you coming by to watch H & M? (Re:sig quotes )

- Jake

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

Romy, when are you coming by to watch H & M? (Re:sig quotes )

- Jake

Jake, as soon as my great plan to finally discover America would find solid economic bases.

Romy

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by Serrart

Jake, as soon as my great plan to finally discover America would find solid economic bases.

Romy

I'll keep you in mind when I start playing the Lotto again.

- Jake

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

I'll keep you in mind when I start playing the Lotto again.

- Jake

And people say there aren't gentlemen anymore.

Romy

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by Serrart

And people say there aren't gentlemen anymore.

Romy

Yeah, the people who have met me.

- Jake

[David]

Originally Posted by lagringader&r

jbrownsjr said there were alleged concerns about Lindsey respecting women and I'm really curious to know what those are, other than what I've already heard about the Tusk kick?

I think the altercation in August 1987 between the two of them was definitely very physically violent, but I don't think we know for certain whether the incident in New Zealand onstage in 1980 was the same sort of physical thing.

I think the word "kick" is loaded; it gives people a very definite impression of what might have happened. Mick does use the word "kick" in his book, but Mick & Stephen Davis often use colorful, loaded language whose accuracy we can't really gauge (Mick will write, "I screamed at Dennis" or "I howled at John" or So-and-So "screamed for mercy" or talk about dozens of "all-night fights with Sara").

However, here's what the book actually said: "He started to kick Stevie while she was trying to salvage the number. Sixty thousand people were watching! Lindsey would flick his foot at her & Stevie would shy away, trying to cover up his stoned-out behavior to save us all from dying of embarrassment."

In fact, later on TV on the Graham Nash show, Mick re-emphasized the use of the word "flick" rather than "kick." So, just based on Mick's book, it seems a little obtuse to paint the image that he hauled back & walloped her with his shoe, like kicking a soccer ball. Also, according to the book, Christine gets backstage & yells at Lindsey: "Don't you ever do this to this band again." If Lindsey had actually kicked Stevie like a soccer ball, don't you think Chris would have put Stevie's welfare above that of the band's? She didn't say: "Don't you ever hurt Stevie again." Finally, Mick says he went on the radio to talk about the band & the show immediately after, but he says that the call-in audience either didn't notice the incident or thought his behavior was an "act" or a "joke." If Stevie had been kicked in the sense that we usually think of "to kick," the audience would have certainly been alarmed.

That's my perspective & I'm kickin' to it . . . er, stickin' to it.