Pope disapproves of Harry Potter *groan* - Page 2

catinthedark · #16 07-14-2005, 10:55 AM

Since when is it the Vatican's job to critique children's books?

What angers me most about this is that it seems the popester just assumes that anyone reading these books is Catholic (or Christian). It's like he completely discounts all possibilities that there are other religions, legitimate religions, and beliefs in the world. Also, that children are too stupid to differentiate between fiction and fact.

SuzeQuze · #17 07-14-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark

Since when is it the Vatican's job to critique children's books?

What angers me most about this is that it seems the popester just assumes that anyone reading these books is Catholic (or Christian). It's like he completely discounts all possibilities that there are other religions, legitimate religions, and beliefs in the world. Also, that children are too stupid to differentiate between fiction and fact.

I believe he has stated that he really doesn't think other religions are valid. I'm not fond of this Pope's beliefs. It is preposterous to believe that these books are going to confuse kids about their Christianity, if they are Christian. One has nothing to do with the other.

GypsySorcerer · #18 07-14-2005, 11:26 AM

Ridiculous. I think the Pope's beliefs are more in line with evangelicals than with mainstream Catholics, actually.

SuzeQuze · #19 07-14-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Ridiculous. I think the Pope's beliefs are more in line with evangelicals than with mainstream Catholics, actually.

I agree, he is very fundamentalist.

seeker007nmss · #20 07-14-2005, 11:46 AM

Wasn't there a thing about the new pope once belonging to the Hitler Youth when he was young? Maybe he misses the "smores" bookburning parties.

Just wondering......

**mylittledemon** · #21 07-14-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeKindaMother

I'm not sure I understand. Do you believe in God, but you think you won't get into Heaven? That would be terrifying for me. If someone doesn't believe, that's a different story...why would they care about Heaven? I would hope that anyone who is a believer would want to enter Heaven. (Although many will likely be shocked to see others there with them!)

I was basically referrring to the differences in specific religions...like I don't believe that only Catholics will enter Heaven. I'm sorry if I offended you.

Kelly

No I wasnt offended Kelly, and I didnt mean to offend you either (if I did)

Well since we all "know" one another here...I'll tell ya what I think. I believe Jesus Christ is Lord. I was raised in a non denominational church growing up. Really, it was a southern baptist church without the "label." Now, as an adult you change your mind about things and your mind broadens beyond the finite-teachings of your youth. I've struggled with it for years because of what happened with my parents divorce (remember the betrayal thread?)...but I still believe what I always have, and in my own heart, I feel it to be true. Now...in the past few years I have been a terrible example of Christianity. I drink, I smoked, lusted after women (& men), I've done drugs, premarital sex...swearing...the whole nine yards. I havent graced the door of a church in 6 years. Nor will I. I refuse to. Does that make me a bad person? Yeah, probably. Does that mean I will or wont get in heaven because I did bad things? Possibly. I'm certainly not living by the standards of the Bible in any case, but I do believe that Christ is "the" Christ. So is that enough to get me into the pearly gates? None of us truly know...and in my own heart I don't think it is.

I realize that was probably TMI...

amber · #22 07-14-2005, 12:43 PM

Way to take on important issues, New Pope!!

Yep, religious and moral leadership at it's finest. Next, you should discuss which kinds of pets are "evil" and which kind are "good". That's really begging for some examination, too!!!

SuzeQuze · #23 07-14-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by seeker007nmss

Wasn't there a thing about the new pope once belonging to the Hitler Youth when he was young? Maybe he misses the "smores" bookburning parties.

Just wondering......

Yes, I believe you're correct on that.

SuzeQuze · #24 07-14-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Way to take on important issues, New Pope!!

Yep, religious and moral leadership at it's finest. Next, you should discuss which kinds of pets are "evil" and which kind are "good". That's really begging for some examination, too!!!

Black cats are definitely evil and confusing children and adults alike the world over.

SomeKindaMother · #25 07-14-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

No I wasnt offended Kelly, and I didnt mean to offend you either (if I did)

Well since we all "know" one another here...I'll tell ya what I think. I believe Jesus Christ is Lord. I was raised in a non denominational church growing up. Really, it was a southern baptist church without the "label." Now, as an adult you change your mind about things and your mind broadens beyond the finite-teachings of your youth. I've struggled with it for years because of what happened with my parents divorce (remember the betrayal thread?)...but I still believe what I always have, and in my own heart, I feel it to be true. Now...in the past few years I have been a terrible example of Christianity. I drink, I smoked, lusted after women (& men), I've done drugs, premarital sex...swearing...the whole nine yards. I havent graced the door of a church in 6 years. Nor will I. I refuse to. Does that make me a bad person? Yeah, probably. Does that mean I will or wont get in heaven because I did bad things? Possibly. I'm certainly not living by the standards of the Bible in any case, but I do believe that Christ is "the" Christ. So is that enough to get me into the pearly gates? None of us truly know...and in my own heart I don't think it is.

I realize that was probably TMI...

No, no hon, I was not offended either. But can you live with that fact? It sounds like you cutting off your nose to spite your face. (Maybe that belongs in the 'expressions' thread..) If you don't think you'll get into Heaven, and you *believe* in Heaven....aren't you scared of the alternative? You have absolutely every right to feel abandoned and betrayed by people you trusted the most. You *at the very least* deserve an acknowledgement of that...one that is not followed by "but....". I don't think you should continue punishing yourself because of the actions of others. I'm sorry if this is out of line.

Everything that you think will keep you out of heaven...I have done at some point in my life. (sheesh....well, again....as long as we all *know* one another here....) I do believe I am a good person, I try to repent and do better, but still I am a sinner. I am not so frightened of my God that I'm afraid to say so at the pearly gates. I don't commit hate crimes, I try VERY hard to be understanding of all God's people according to what I *personally* feel is right...not according to society or even necessarily church deems. I am not proud of everything I have done...but I am very proud of some things. I'm not perfect, and I don't think God will expect me to be...just the best I am able to be.

I'm sorry for all your confusion. Nobody should have to deal with that. Someone should have recognized how that would mess up your head....and religious feelings. I am a firm believer that you can learn from every single thing that happens to you. I know I've said this before, but as I tell my kids....maybe the only thing you'll learn is that you will never ever make another person feel the way this person/situation made you feel. That is still a valuable lesson and will make you a better person. I obviously can't say with absolutely certainty that I *know* whether you or I will enter Heaven. I do desire to be there, and believe I shall be. I certainly hope you will be as well, and I hope you can believe the same. I think you should fix whatever issues you have that give you doubts. You need some closure and put the other incident in the past. At least as far as you can. Of course, that's just my opinion. Fwiw.

Kelly

PS: This post was MUCH more clear the FIRST time I typed it. I got up, got sidetracked, and when I came back, it was gone. curses! Sorry for the second rate summary that might not be as clear as I'd have hoped.

estranged4life · #26 07-14-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark

Since when is it the Vatican's job to critique children's books?

I guess that is their new way to lure some potential altar boys to those pedo-priests in their ranks, Hehehehehehe!!!

When all is said and done in this life I will be waving to my angelic Ledgie brethren from the firey pits down below...Boo-frikkidy-hoo for me right? Hehehehehe.

CreepingDeath · #27 07-14-2005, 02:59 PM

Eh, Benedict is nut job. And just to clear things up, I'm not anti-Catholic either. Although spending 8 years in Catholic school you'd think I would be.

I think I read that Pope John Paul II approved Harry Potter.

Neal · #28 07-14-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Well since we all "know" one another here...I'll tell ya what I think. I believe Jesus Christ is Lord. I was raised in a non denominational church growing up. Really, it was a southern baptist church without the "label." Now, as an adult you change your mind about things and your mind broadens beyond the finite-teachings of your youth. I've struggled with it for years because of what happened with my parents divorce (remember the betrayal thread?)...but I still believe what I always have, and in my own heart, I feel it to be true. Now...in the past few years I have been a terrible example of Christianity. I drink, I smoked, lusted after women (& men), I've done drugs, premarital sex...swearing...the whole nine yards. I havent graced the door of a church in 6 years. Nor will I. I refuse to. Does that make me a bad person? Yeah, probably. Does that mean I will or wont get in heaven because I did bad things? Possibly. I'm certainly not living by the standards of the Bible in any case, but I do believe that Christ is "the" Christ. So is that enough to get me into the pearly gates? None of us truly know...and in my own heart I don't think it is.

I realize that was probably TMI...

Wow, you sound very much like me!

(Well, minus the "lusting after women" part...)