Karl Rove

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

I don't get hopeful often, but I really think this is it for him.

- Jake

Karma my friend - I mean this is the man who made an entire country hate gay people more than they already do -- all in an effort to hide W's BS war in Iraq and the fallacy and misguided farce that it became. I hope it hits him hard and hurts trememdously - and I am ashamed to have that hate in my heart

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

THAT on top of Billy Graham commenting that Clinton should preach the work of Jesus and Clinton's wife should run the country - BIZARRE

Oh yeah. Now there's something going on there. But where does Poppy fit in?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Oh yeah. Now there's something going on there. But where does Poppy fit in?

Well, Clinton, esp. Hillary, seemingly has more to gain from that. So, I think Clinton has some goods on ole Poppy Or - maybe, as has long been thought by some, they were always in bed together.

[gldstwmn]

Chris, you might find this interesting about Rove. If I remember correctly, it wasn't in Bush's Brain:

Copyright 2003 The Houston Chronicle Publishing Company
The Houston Chronicle

November 09, 2003, Sunday 4 STAR EDITION

SECTION: A; Pg. 33 MetFront

LENGTH: 611 words

HEADLINE: Karl and Bob: a leaky history

SOURCE: Staff

BYLINE: RICK CASEY

BODY:
ONE OF THE great pleasures of studying history is the discovery that the interesting stuff is often in the footnotes.

That's where you find material not important enough for the main text, but too much fun to omit altogether.

This is such a footnote. It has to do with one of the great controversies of this political season - columnist Robert Novak's outing of CIA undercover operative Valerie Plame - and the controversy's Houston connection.

There were reports last week that the FBI's probe into what may be a criminal offense of disclosing the name of an intelligence operative has expanded.

Agents have questioned a number of high White House officials, and with good reason.

James Reston, former New York Times Washington bureau chief and columnist, once described government as "the only vessel that leaks from the top."

Novak brought that quip to mind when he wrote that "two senior administration officials" told him of Plame's profession.

The disclosure appeared to be part of an effort to discredit Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, who publicly debunked a White House contention that Iraq had been trying to buy uranium to build nuclear weapons from Niger.

Washington gossip mills immediately focused on President Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, as the possible leaker to Novak.

And in Houston, some eyebrows raised.

The reason: The Rove-Novak speculation seemed an echo from the 1992 re-election campaign of President George H.W. Bush.

Novak wrote a column then describing a secret Dallas meeting in which Houstonian Rob Mosbacher was stripped of his authority as state campaign manager for Bush because "the president's re-election effort in Texas has been a bust."

Novak wrote that the meeting was called by then-U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm.

"Also attending the session was political consultant Karl Rove, who had been shoved aside by Mosbacher," wrote Novak.

Mosbacher met with top leaders of the campaign, including George W. and Dallas Republican heavyweight Fred Meyer, who assured him they did not consider the campaign to be a bust.

Mosbacher laid out his suspicion that Rove was the source of the Novak column.

Rove, a direct mail specialist, had the entire contract for that service in Bush's 1988 campaign, Mosbacher recalled recently.

"I thought another firm was better," he said. "I had a million dollars for direct mail. I gave Rove a contract for $ 250,000 and $ 750,000 to the other firm."

"I said Rove is the only one with a motive to leak this," Mosbacher recalled. "We let him go."

Novak has since denied Rove was the source of that leak. In a profile last spring, Texas Monthly quoted Rove as saying, "As far as I know, Mosbacher still thinks I am the one who did it."

He's right.

"I still believe he did it," says Mosbacher, who is not pleased to have the matter resurrected.

Mosbacher does believe Rove's denials this time, however.

"I think he's a smart guy, and I don't believe he would break the law," he says.

That 1992 Novak column echoed again last week when former President Bush riled some conservative Republicans by presenting the George Bush Award for Excellence in Public Service to Sen. Ted Kennedy at the Bush Library at College Station.

"The right grumbles that moderate Republican Tom Luce, Ross Perot's lawyer and chairman of his aborted presidential campaign, was feted by the Bushes with an overnight White House stay," wrote Novak. "Luce still has not endorsed Bush at this writing, while right-wing activists who labor for the president are snubbed."

Current President Bush, with Rove at his side, clearly has taken Novak's warning to heart.

[gldstwmn]

So, now we have a pattern. What do you all think he will be charged with?
When was the last time anyone was charged with treason?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

So, now we have a pattern. What do you all think he will be charged with?
When was the last time anyone was charged with treason?

Other than the "liberals" who dared to even think about questioning the War in Iraq and the Dixie Chicks

[golddustdragon]

Oh boy. Like all the other scandals that this Administration has, it never did s*** because it was under Rove's control. However, since he may be implicated in the Plame case, this ought to finish Bush blow by blow. Impeachment/resignation can happen some time. It's still four more years.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Other than the "liberals" who dared to even think about questioning the War in Iraq and the Dixie Chicks

No seriously. Was Benedict Arnold the last guy to be charged with treason?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No seriously. Was Benedict Arnold the last guy to be charged with treason?

The Jewish couple in WWII - Streep played her in Angels in America.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by golddustdragon

Oh boy. Like all the other scandals that this Administration has, it never did s*** because it was under Rove's control. However, since he may be implicated in the Plame case, this ought to finish Bush blow by blow. Impeachment/resignation can happen some time. It's still four more years.

True but they are completely neutralized by this. They will be essentially powerless and not only on a national scale but a global one as well.
Finally, the youngin's might get a taste of what Watergate was like and how it paled in comparison to what is going on now.
Did you know that one of the four articles of impeachment drawn up against Nixon was for bombing Cambodia?
I think Bush might actually be foolish enough to try to cowboy this out. I also think his father and Clinton might see the writing on the wall. If this thing really blows, the Republican Party will be castrated for the next decade.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

The Jewish couple in WWII - Streep played her in Angels in America.

The Rosenbergs. Roy Cohn f*cked those people badly. I think he went to a very special place in Hell.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The Rosenbergs. Roy Cohn f*cked those people badly. I think he went to a very special place in Hell.

thank goodness he just fuc&ed guys and was not gay

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

thank goodness he just fuc&ed guys and was not gay

I know. He was in denial right up until the end. I wonder how many people he infected.

[strandinthewind]

Newsweek: Rove spoke to reporter before leak
Bush adviser didn't reveal confidential information, attorney says
From Elaine Quijano
CNN Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Newsweek magazine is reporting that e-mails between Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and his editors show that Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser, spoke to Cooper in the days before a CIA operative's identity was revealed in the media, but it wasn't clear what Cooper and Rove discussed.

Rove's attorney told CNN his client did not disclose any confidential information.

Attorney Robert Luskin confirmed that Cooper called Rove in July 2003 but said he's "not characterizing the subject matter of that conversation."

A special prosecutor is investigating whether senior Bush administration officials leaked the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame to the media in retaliation after her husband wrote an opinion piece critical of the administration.

Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller face jail on civil contempt charges for refusing to reveal their sources to a federal grand jury. Judge Thomas Hogan has set a final hearing on Wednesday and will make a decision after that.

Time Inc. announced Thursday that it would hand over subpoenaed documents, including Cooper's notes, after the Supreme Court refused to hear the reporters' appeals in the case.

Cooper's attorneys argued that Time's decision "should obviate" the contempt citation against him because the material gives the grand jury the information and makes his testimony "duplicative and unnecessary."

Time Inc. is a unit of Time Warner, which is also CNN's parent company.

Luskin said prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald "has confirmed repeatedly, most recently last week, that he (Rove) is not a target of the investigation."

Added Luskin, "Karl did nothing wrong. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr. Cooper or anybody else ... Who outed this woman? ... It wasn't Karl."

Luskin said Rove "certainly did not disclose to Matt Cooper or anybody else any confidential information."

Rove has testified at least twice as part of the inquiry, but sources involved previously told CNN that while Rove acknowledged talking to reporters about the issue, he said he never knowingly disclosed classified information.

Luskin stressed that his client has cooperated fully with the government.

"I've been assured by the prosecutor they have no reason to doubt the honesty of anything he's said," he said.

The case stems from a July 14, 2003, column by Robert Novak in which he revealed Plame's identity as a CIA operative. Novak, who also is a CNN contributor, attributed the information to two senior administration officials.

Plame's husband is Joe Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to Iraq. Wilson charged that his wife's name was leaked to retaliate against him after he disputed Bush administration statements that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium in Africa.

Federal law makes it a crime to deliberately reveal the identity of a CIA operative.

The subpoena issued to Time sought documents relating to "conversations between Cooper and official source(s) prior to July 14, 2003, concerning in any way" Wilson, Wilson's 2002 trip to Niger, Plame, and any affiliation between Plame and the CIA.

Under federal law, civil contempt can carry up to 18 months in jail or the length of the grand jury's term, whichever is shorter. Hogan said the term of the grand jury in this case expires in October, so Miller and Cooper only face up to four months in jail.

As part of his probe, Fitzgerald subpoenaed a number of journalists to testify about their sources. Miller and Cooper and their news organizations decided to fight the subpoenas, although Cooper did reveal one unnamed source who released him from a confidentiality pledge.

Miller faces jail time for refusing to reveal sources she developed during her reporting, even though she never actually wrote a story on Plame or Wilson. But Novak -- who has refused to discuss the case on the advice of his attorney -- has not been held in contempt.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/03/co...ove/index.html

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

The case stems from a July 14, 2003, column by Robert Novak in which he revealed Plame's identity as a CIA operative. Novak, who also is a CNN contributor, attributed the information to two senior administration officials.

Federal law makes it a crime to deliberately reveal the identity of a CIA operative.

Miller faces jail time for refusing to reveal sources she developed during her reporting, even though she never actually wrote a story on Plame or Wilson. But Novak -- who has refused to discuss the case on the advice of his attorney -- has not been held in contempt.
CNN's John King contributed to this report.

Okay, this is what is insane about this whole thing. Novak writes the column but Miller and Cooper are held in contempt and face jail time? And why did the Supreme Court refuse Miller's appeal? This is very frightening. "Freedom of the press" is long gone. Why did Novak reveal Plame's identity? Just because someone tells you who an operative is does not mean you should print it. This whole story stinks of something really awful.