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Old 12-02-2004, 10:34 PM
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I meant leading the way, three weeks ago, etc. I think he played it safe and let others bloddy their hands and now that it looks good to do it, he's in


He only jumped on the bandwagon after everyone else did the dirty work. That's scummy, IMO.
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Old 12-02-2004, 10:35 PM
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I meant leading the way, three weeks ago, etc. I think he played it safe and let others bloddy their hands and now that it looks good to do it, he's in

AND - let's talk about Florida Interestingly, I read an article about a review/recount of the votes the Miami Herald did on their own. Did you read that one?
Are you talking about this?
http://www.independent-media.tv/item...20U.S.%20Media

The Miami Herald did a hand recount of 3 Florida counties. 3 of the 29 counties which have a majority of voters registered as Democrats but voted overwhelmingly for Bush.

Here are the tallies for Union County:

Bush original: 33967 Bush hand count: 3393 (-3)
Kerry original: 1251 Kerry hand count: 1272 (+21)
Net change: Kerry +24

Here are the tallies for Lafayette County:

Bush original: 2460 Bush hand count: 2452 (-8)
Kerry original: 845 Kerry hand count: 848 (+3)
Net change: Kerry +11

It's a bit more complicated for the third county they looked at, Suwannee County, because they only report the totals for a hand count of "almost 60%" of the ballots. Here is the result of their 60% hand count:

Bush 60% hand count: 6140
Kerry 60% hand count: 2984

Which gives us the following tally for Suwannee County:

Bush original: 11153 Extrapolation of Bush 100% hand count: 10549
Kerry original: 4522 Extrapolation of Kerry 100% hand count: 5126
Net change: Kerry +1208

In the original count, 71.2% of the votes cast for Bush or Kerry (n=15675) went to Bush. In the hand count, this drops to 67.3%. That is a significant drop. Let's translate that into numbers. If you take the percentages from the hand count and extrapolate, here's what you get:

Bush = 15675 x .673 = 10549 (loss of 604)
Kerry = 15675 x .327 = 5126 (gain of 604)
Net change: Kerry +1208

A switch of 1208 votes in a county with less than 16K votes cast is obviously huge. Now maybe there's a very large percentage of Bush votes in that remaining 40% that they didn't count, but we can't know that because they didn't count them. Which begs the question...why did they stop counting in Suwannee County when their tabulation of 60% of the ballots deviated so much from the original total? And without actually counting those remaining ballots, how can they possibly report that nothing is amiss when the data they have so far suggests a possible problem?

What I see is a possible gain of 1243 votes for Kerry from three small counties in which only 23627 ballots were cast. That represents about 0.3% of the ballots cast for Bush and Kerry statewide. If Kerry gained votes at the same rate statewide, he picks up nearly 400,000 votes and wins Florida.

Thanks Miami Herald, you just revealed to us in your hand counts that there's a possibility that Kerry won Florida.
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