Gold & Braid and the ever changing lyric

[skcin]

Originally Posted by Josh2003

Case in point, at the TISL show in Cleveland, she simply messed up the lyrics to "Planets of the Universe"...instead of saying "They go into the seas that have no shores," she said "they go into the shores that have no seas"...she started singing the next line and you could tell by the look on her face that she realized she had messed up and that the next line wouldn't rhyme. So she obviously made up, on the spot, the next line that she sang: "...haunted by that same fantasy".

I agree with you to a point - like I said earlier, she does mess up lyrics a lot accidentally, but it's usually pretty obvious (I was actually thinking of the example you just gave.)

But I do think that there've been times that she purposely changes lyrics. I really don't think the "take your silver springs and dig your grave" line was a flub.

Paula

[dissention]

Originally Posted by skcin

But I do think that there've been times that she purposely changes lyrics. I really don't think the "take your silver springs and dig your grave" line was a flub.

Yeah, but she was singing it a whole year before the battle for the song erupted.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Where I was getting the LB saying it thing was in concert (at least the ones I went to) she sings (emphasis supplied) "and he said don't hide behind your hair that way baby . . ."

So, I was taking that to mean LB was saying it because she is saying "he said" - so, if this song is all about LB, then LB must be saying it (literally) as LB is the "he" of the song - and I just could never think of LB as saying that But, the reason it is vague to me is that in the explanation, she syas "Professionally, everybody always wanted me to be their idea of what I should be. I'd flat out look at people and say, 'You know I'm not gonna do what you want, so why do you bother?'" - that implies a response to a question or statement by these other people. That is where I got that there could be more than one actor in this song and that person could be the "he" saying "don't hide behind your hair . . . ."

But, to each their own

I agree. Before I read the quote from her above, mentioning Linds, I never thought it was about Linds...I vote for amalgam..
Amber

[AliP]

Originally Posted by Josh2003

Case in point, at the TISL show in Cleveland, she simply messed up the lyrics to "Planets of the Universe"...instead of saying "They go into the seas that have no shores," she said "they go into the shores that have no seas"...she started singing the next line and you could tell by the look on her face that she realized she had messed up and that the next line wouldn't rhyme. So she obviously made up, on the spot, the next line that she sang: "...haunted by that same fantasy".

I agree that Stevie does mess up lyrics unintentionally. But, with the example you gave, I don't really see any huge hidden meaning behind those words. Seas and shores...eh, nothing really too deep there, to me anyway. But, words where she is changing who they are directed at, and then ommitting them all together speaks of a different tale, IMO.

And I don't care what anybody says, I think when she sang "take your silver springs and dig your grave" it was deliberate and meant something. Doesn't matter if the whole Silver Springs fiasco had not happened yet...it could have meant many things and maybe wasn't even directed at Mick. But, I believe it was directed at somebody.

[Oona]

Here is a quote from Stevie:

Billboard-April 18, 1998
"Gold and Braid is another song on Enchanted is an unreleased track from my Bella Donna sessions, and it's about Lindsey wanting more from me in our relationship. But wanting to know everything about someone, which goes hand in hand with being in love, was never something, I'd ever wanted to share with anybody. Professionally, everybody always wanted me to be their idea of what I should be. I'd flat out look at people and say, 'You know I'm not gonna do what you want, so why do you bother?'"

Doesn't mean it's entirely about Lindsey...but I think that most of it is.\



I am glad to see that I wasn't the only one that found this obtuse. I guess my brain and her's function in radically different ways. Yet through all that, I still connect. Stevie continues to be enigmatic to me, and my appreciation of her perplexes me even more. I am not sure why I like her so much, but I just do.......


"Oh well, oh well, oh well." P. Green

[amber]

Originally Posted by Oona

Here is a quote from Stevie:


Doesn't mean it's entirely about Lindsey...but I think that most of it is.\



I am glad to see that I wasn't the only one that found this obtuse. I guess my brain and her's function in radically different ways. Yet through all that, I still connect. Stevie continues to be enigmatic to me, and my appreciation of her perplexes me even more. I am not sure why I like her so much, but I just do.......


"Oh well, oh well, oh well." P. Green

It's her voice quality. It's a trap. It sucks into your brain and sticks to it. Also her emotional/nature based lyrics lull your mind into thinking you're listening to something of great beauty and depth.
Amber

[skcin]

Originally Posted by AliP

And I don't care what anybody says, I think when she sang "take your silver springs and dig your grave" it was deliberate and meant something. Doesn't matter if the whole Silver Springs fiasco had not happened yet...it could have meant many things and maybe wasn't even directed at Mick. But, I believe it was directed at somebody.

Exactly. Plus, do we REALLY know when the fight over SS started? We know when it became more public, but who knows how long it had been going on behind the scenes.

Paula

[David]

Originally Posted by skcin

Exactly. Plus, do we REALLY know when the fight over SS started? We know when it became more public, but who knows how long it had been going on behind the scenes.

We have a number of clues that it didn't erupt until 1991. According to press reports, Stevie didn't start to compile "Timespace" until after the Fleetwood Mac tour wrapped up in December 1990. She went home to Phoenix for the rest of December to spend the holidays with her family, as she traditionally does. "Timespace" mixing didn't start until the new year.

At the end of the Fleetwood Mac tour, Stevie & Christine both planned to continue recording with Fleetwood Mac, as they told audiences at the last shows. But by August 1991, Stevie told Datebook: "Right now, I'm in the middle of a very big fight with Mick. ... It's a pretty sad way to end Fleetwood Mac. This is going to be a shock to the rest of the band when they see the stupidity of Mick's decision."

She told another source that summer: "Right now I'm not very happy with Mick, & it's over a pretty serious thing. He won't give in & I feel it's unfair, & since he's not considering my feelings & I've always considered his, for the first time in my life I can actually say, 'No, I'm not going to tour with them or work with them on a record.' "

So at some point after she started mixing "Timespace," she says, "I called him on a Friday, & said, 'If I don't have that tape of Silver Springs by Monday, I'm out.' He had three days & didn't deliver."

She gave the BBC an interview in September 1991: "I told Dennis [Dunstan, Mick's manager] what I wanted. I said, 'I want Silver Springs because it belongs to my mother.' ... When Timespace came around, it didn't occur to me that they wouldn't let me have it back. Switching back quickly to the night I called Mick a couple of months ago, & he didn't want to return my call, I talked to his manager & I said: 'Well, you find Mick, & you tell him that if I don't get those tapes by Monday, I am no longer a member of Fleetwood Mac.' And he said, 'Okay, give me till 10:30. I'll find Mick. Don't do anything yet.' And I said, 'Okay.' And at about 10:15 Dennis called back & said that he had finally tracked Mick down. And Mick had said, 'Over my dead body will I ever give that song back.' And now he has ruined Fleetwood Mac's future."

[amber]

Originally Posted by David

at about 10:15 Dennis called back & said that he had finally tracked Mick down. And Mick had said, 'Over my dead body will I ever give that song back.' And now he has ruined Fleetwood Mac's future."

Woah! He is so lucky she didn't stick to this! What a snarf hole. But, of course, he was also the one back in the day who told her that it wasn't gonna be on Rumours, so they coulda had a fight about it back then, too.
Amber

[dissention]

Originally Posted by David

We have a number of clues that it didn't erupt until 1991. According to press reports, Stevie didn't start to compile "Timespace" until after the Fleetwood Mac tour wrapped up in December 1990. She went home to Phoenix for the rest of December to spend the holidays with her family, as she traditionally does. "Timespace" mixing didn't start until the new year.

At the end of the Fleetwood Mac tour, Stevie & Christine both planned to continue recording with Fleetwood Mac, as they told audiences at the last shows. But by August 1991, Stevie told Datebook: "Right now, I'm in the middle of a very big fight with Mick. ... It's a pretty sad way to end Fleetwood Mac. This is going to be a shock to the rest of the band when they see the stupidity of Mick's decision."

She told another source that summer: "Right now I'm not very happy with Mick, & it's over a pretty serious thing. He won't give in & I feel it's unfair, & since he's not considering my feelings & I've always considered his, for the first time in my life I can actually say, 'No, I'm not going to tour with them or work with them on a record.' "

So at some point after she started mixing "Timespace," she says, "I called him on a Friday, & said, 'If I don't have that tape of Silver Springs by Monday, I'm out.' He had three days & didn't deliver."

She gave the BBC an interview in September 1991: "I told Dennis [Dunstan, Mick's manager] what I wanted. I said, 'I want Silver Springs because it belongs to my mother.' ... When Timespace came around, it didn't occur to me that they wouldn't let me have it back. Switching back quickly to the night I called Mick a couple of months ago, & he didn't want to return my call, I talked to his manager & I said: 'Well, you find Mick, & you tell him that if I don't get those tapes by Monday, I am no longer a member of Fleetwood Mac.' And he said, 'Okay, give me till 10:30. I'll find Mick. Don't do anything yet.' And I said, 'Okay.' And at about 10:15 Dennis called back & said that he had finally tracked Mick down. And Mick had said, 'Over my dead body will I ever give that song back.' And now he has ruined Fleetwood Mac's future."

This is the Nicky Horne one, right? I always thought that was the juiciest interview she ever gave, her voice is so cold in it.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by David

We have a number of clues that it didn't erupt until 1991. According to press reports, Stevie didn't start to compile "Timespace" until after the Fleetwood Mac tour wrapped up in December 1990. She went home to Phoenix for the rest of December to spend the holidays with her family, as she traditionally does. "Timespace" mixing didn't start until the new year.

Thanks, I already know all of this.

I just have a feeling it really started before the "press reports" started talking about it. Just because she didn't start to compile Timespace until Dec. 1990 doesn't mean she hadn't been thinking of what songs to put on it before that time.
It also doesn't mean she hadn't already approached Mick about it - maybe he hadn't actually said no yet, maybe he was jerking her around.

Just speculation, I know. But it is possible, IMO.

Paula

[AliP]

Originally Posted by skcin

Thanks, I already know all of this.

I just have a feeling it really started before the "press reports" started talking about it. Just because she didn't start to compile Timespace until Dec. 1990 doesn't mean she hadn't been thinking of what songs to put on it before that time.
It also doesn't mean she hadn't already approached Mick about it - maybe he hadn't actually said no yet, maybe he was jerking her around.

Just speculation, I know. But it is possible, IMO.

Paula

Just a thought, but maybe it was directed at Lindsey. After all, Silver Springs was about Lindsey. Maybe she was still flamin' over him leaving and didn't think of this hidden jab until that tour.

[EveryHour]

Originally Posted by dissention

This is the Nicky Horne one, right? I always thought that was the juiciest interview she ever gave, her voice is so cold in it.

That interview is so great. She is especially open about everything...Robin and her family, Joe Walsh, Mick and Silver Springs, etc.

[EveryHour]

Originally Posted by skcin

Exactly. Plus, do we REALLY know when the fight over SS started? We know when it became more public, but who knows how long it had been going on behind the scenes.

Paula

My feelings exactly. Perhaps it had been brought up long before it exploded. Maybe it didn't get truly ugly until Stevie's call to Dennis. Maybe up until that point Stevie didn't think that Mick would really not let her have it.

[amber]

Originally Posted by EveryHour

That interview is so great. She is especially open about everything...Robin and her family, Joe Walsh, Mick and Silver Springs, etc.

Is this interview gettable anywhere? I want to get it!