Better Choices For LIB CD?

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by CarneVaca

Well, folks, fear not.

Rest assured that at least some of other Live in Boston tracks will be released commercially in a way to maximize profits.

Already, four more songs -- Say You Will, Gold Dust Woman, Never Going Back, and Don't Stop -- are available for download from iTunes as an EP. You may buy the songs individually for 99 cents apiece or as an EP for $3.96. The EP is titled Selections from Live in Boston, Vol. 1. Presumably there would be a Vol. 2 and perhaps more. I don't know if the exclusive arrangement with iTunes covers only a limited time, but I wouldn't be surprised to see this stuff show up in CD form in stores at some point.

So, you see, you may get your wish of having all these songs in audio format mixed professionally. You'll just have to keep paying for them.

Originally Posted by dissention

Fleetwood Mac never fails to do exactly what I expect them to.

I downloaded all the songs and burned them onto a couple CDs, I don't need to buy 'em. Surely the band and the record company knew people would rip the tracks from the DVD before buying them separately.

I guess i'm not quite sure what the problem is.
Whether they released the 'Live In Boston' set as a 2-DVD/2-Audio CD package (which they would have needed to do, in order to include all of the songs), or if they released a second CD separately, you'd still have to pay one way or the other.

'LIB' most assuredly would have cost more if they had released it in the first format I mentioned. As it is, people were already complaining about the price.

I think it's cool that they're offering the additional songs on iTunes. After all, no one is forced to buy them, but it's definitely nice to have the option, right?
And again, you would have had to pay extra for a 2-CD set anyway, even if it had been included from the outset.

My only complaint about the CD that came with the package, was that it was a mere 10-tracks. They could have fit about 17 or 18 on there. But even at that, there's no way they could have included every favorite song of every fan on one disc... some way, some how, someone is always bound to be disappointed.

[Johnny Stew]

Oh, and my picks for the CD:

1. Eyes Of The World
2. Say You Will
3. Second Hand News
4. Gypsy
5. Never Going Back Again
6. Landslide
7. Say Goodbye
8. Stand Back
9. Come
10. Beautiful Child

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's alright because I think Say You Will the song blows chunks live. Incredibly dull, flat, and monotonal.

Which sums up my opinion of Peacekeeper live.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Um. Can I slap you? I think it's adorable live. Stevie has an absolute ball performing the song during the show with all of her little hand motions and I have to say, I enjoy doin' em with her. I like the song live. Pfft.

Jake, I like your picks. I thought you didn't like Come??

On the album I don't. Live it's better. Less muddled.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by dissention

Don't slap me, I might enjoy it too much, Marissa.

The hand gestures are cute for what they are, but the song is just uninspired and boring. She sings it way too low, it sounds like she's talking instead of singing.

You could say the same for Say Goodbye. It sounds like talking through panting, not singing.
Why don't you just admit you're bitter she didn't sing Thrown Down?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

My only complaint about the CD that came with the package, was that it was a mere 10-tracks. They could have fit about 17 or 18 on there. But even at that, there's no way they could have included every favorite song of every fan on one disc... some way, some how, someone is always bound to be disappointed.

No problem as long as I'm not the one.

- Jake

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

My only complaint about the CD that came with the package, was that it was a mere 10-tracks. They could have fit about 17 or 18 on there. But even at that, there's no way they could have included every favorite song of every fan on one disc... some way, some how, someone is always bound to be disappointed.

That's my point. They could've included the good songs on the CD instead of giving a retread of The Dance. The only people who really are going to seek these out on iTunes and pay to donwload them are the big fans like us, that's why they have them for purchase; because they know that many of us would pay for 'em. But not me.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

You could say the same for Say Goodbye. It sounds like talking through panting, not singing.
Why don't you just admit you're bitter she didn't sing Thrown Down?

- Jake

Say Goodbye has gorgeous vocals from the both of them, there's no comparison to the lackluster Say You Will.

As for Thrown Down, I'd love to hear it live, maybe it would breathe some life into it because it sure as hell doesn't have any on the album.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

Which sums up my opinion of Peacekeeper live.

- Jake

I agree. Peacekeeper is as dull as wet crackers live. But it's infinitely better than SYW. I slog through the song just to hear the "You know all of our friends are gods" verse; it's greatness.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by dissention

Don't slap me, I might enjoy it too much, Marissa.

The hand gestures are cute for what they are, but the song is just uninspired and boring. She sings it way too low, it sounds like she's talking instead of singing.

You probably would

Actually, since she's been sick, they raised the key in which SYW is played so she's singing it differently

[CarneVaca]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And again, you would have had to pay extra for a 2-CD set anyway, even if it had been included from the outset.

Two-cd sets cost around 20 bucks these days, maybe as high as $24.

Releasing four-song EPs at four bucks a pop on iTunes is a reasonable price. But say they release two more of these, you will spend $12 if you buy them all, which is still pretty good. But FM could have put a fourth disc in the LIB package, or reconfigured the whole thing somehow, and charge less than 30 bucks for it.

We're not talking big bucks here either way. But piecemeal releases will ultimately cost the consumer more. That's basic economics.

If they had done what I preferred, a 2-disk DVD and a 2-CD audio release, they would have been ahead of the game. And we all would have run to the stores to buy both. So I guess ultimately what I see happening is a string of ill-advised economic decisions that in the end are probably not making them that much more money.

Really, they should be consulting me on this stuff.

Don't get me wrong. I love the iTunes concept. I don't really care about the packaging anyway and I'd rather not keep accumulating media. I only wish Lindsey would get his act together and release the GOS leftover tracks on iTunes, unless of course he is going to use them for the supposed upcoming record.

[CarneVaca]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

You could say the same for Say Goodbye. It sounds like talking through panting, not singing.

Oh, nonsense!!

[MirrorInTheSky]

Originally Posted by darklinensuit

You could say the same for Say Goodbye. It sounds like talking through panting, not singing.
Why don't you just admit you're bitter she didn't sing Thrown Down?

- Jake

I'll readily admit that I'm bitter she didn't sing Thrown Down. I'm gonna sit outside her door and wait....probably dedicate my pain to her.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's my point. They could've included the good songs on the CD instead of giving a retread of The Dance.

Don't get me wrong... I would have much preferred that the CD had very little doubling with 'The Dance,' but whether or not they included "the good songs" is highly debatable, given that it seems to most people, the ones they included are "the good songs."

It just would have been better if they had included different songs.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

I agree. Peacekeeper is as dull as wet crackers live. But it's infinitely better than SYW. I slog through the song just to hear the "You know all of our friends are gods" verse; it's greatness.

I personally have no problems with the live "Say You Will." I usually listen to the DVD with headphones on, and she sounds great to me... in fact, it sounds like she's singing in a slightly higher key there, than on the album.
And that sing-along chorus is greatness.

"Peacekeeper" is a song I love, but for some reason it goes nowhere when performed live. It starts out great, and then just stalls. It's a real drag... "Say You Will" is at least fun.